Gavin thinks it’s getting old
Posted by Jeff Id on December 17, 2009
In reply to a commenter at Surreal Climate,WRT the Russian accusation that CRU cooked the books.
[Response: Well, journalism is in trouble in Russia too... The relevant figure from the IEA report is here which show the difference between the their 'all station' index and the HadCRU index for Russia as a whole. Since there was no check for inhomogeneities or jumps in the IEA index, it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, but even if it were fine, the differences in the 20th C trend are small. The whole 'someone made adjustments/screened stations therefore fraud!' line of argument is getting very old. - gavin]
I’m glad it’s getting old Gavin, very very happy in fact. Yet there is a simple truth, Gavin (who is a scientist) doesn’t know which data was used anymore than we do. BECAUSE CRU WON’T RELEASE IT! Why doesn’t he want to know? His colleagues at CRU (Climategate central headquarters) have recently been shown hiding data from reconstructions, blocking skeptical papers which demonstrate the problems in paleo math, and removing points from temperature curves to hide downtrends. We know that only a single very high warming station is being used in GHCN for the Antarctic. We know that Switzerland and Austrailia have some very unusual warming trends. We know his colleagues blocked in two cases, papers critical of the Siberian data. Even assuming that they didn’t succumb to the pressures of fraudulent selection in Russia, how is Gavin so sure his colleagues haven’t made an honest error.
He’s not. He doesn’t know any more than we do.
The difference is – for some reason he’s not asking.
I’ll tell you what’s getting REALLY old. What’s getting old is our continued requests for the friggin’ data and methods to be done in the open rather than in the back of a room. It’s getting old that ‘real’ papers with correct methods are being blocked because they don’t support the consensus. – That’s what is getting old.
If Gavin has any scientist left in him, let’s make sure he joins us in requesting that all data, and all methods from climate science be released and available for open review. We know there are some who are biasing the results. It’s time to ask real questions and by the way it is the scientists who should be making these requests – not us. It’s what they get six figure plus salaries for – to ask and answer questions.
We’ll let you know when it’s old Gavin. Right now it’s just beginning because I for one, have a lot of questions.