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Hockey Stick Explanation

Posted by Jeff Condon on July 6, 2010

There is quite a bit of confusion about the nature of hockey stick temperature constructions.  Currently, many non-paleo climate scientists seem to want to avoid the discussion altogether.  However, these studies are still freely passed through review, which seems to me a very biased point of view.  I reported here,   on an open review of a paper written by Ammann on a different method for scaling proxies to correct for variance loss in proxies.  As I read it, it looks like a method which will get closer to a proper solution but not fix the problems.   It seems that some climate scientists have fully recognized the problem of Mannian style reconstructions and are interested in improving the results.

This probably has come about after the NAS panel’s report on Mann’s hockey stick but whatever the reason it is good news.

In blogland, people tend to see the hockey stick as a temperature graph that Steve McIntyre debunked.  What is a commonly missed point is that the first hockey stick was the result of mathematical error causing the preferential selection of a certain group of high variance proxies.  Since that time, that particular error has been corrected but current hockey sticks are created by different proxies and methods.  All of these global temperature methods that I have read – and there have been many – try to linearly re-weight multiple proxies to provide the best match to measured temperature.   Since the proxies are noisy – very noisy – this reweighting process preferentially selects noise which happens to create better agreement to measured temperatures and deweights the noise which doesn’t agree.  The result is that the signal in the measured temperature region becomes a good match (because of the noise) while the historic noise is unsorted and randomly combined.  The near guaranteed result when the measured temperature you are matching is an upslope is a flat pre-measurement handle and an unprecedented blade.  Again, this is due to the noise and has nothing to do with the signal.  Nobody even knows if there is a temperature signal in trees.

Now in the link above ordinary least squares (OLS) is compared to the new method which regresses one proxy at a time using the OLS method to estimate residuals.  It doesn’t matter if you don’t get that part because it’s just another way to calculate what to multiply times each series before adding them together.

Items which match better to temperature still get more heavily weighted than those which don’t.

Climate scientists like to call it variance loss to the low frequency signal, I prefer to refer to it as variance amplification of the noise.  The OLS method shown is, like many methods, completely insensitive to the sign of the proxies.  In other words a downslope proxy with an inverted temperature profile will be flipped upside down and weighted heavily.   Of course the physical meaning of reading a thermometer upside down (because you like the fit better) is nonsense.   I found the discussion of these effects by climate scientists posting replies to the paper by Ammann to be interesting in that they acknowledge and understand that Mannian’s latest reconstructions will likely exhibit these characteristics, but find that many seem to have failed to understand the reasons for this variance amplification problem. They discuss testing various methods against different types of noise and this sort of thing,  an excellent idea, but really seem to skirt around the root cause of the AUTOMATIC AND GUARANTEED variance differential between the calibration range and the historic range.  – See hockey stick posts linked above for more.

If you have interest in these things, the link above and the replies in the interactive discussion are quite interesting and informative.

Here is a comment which I noted in my previous post, made by one of the reviews in the interactive discussion.

However, it is well established in the statistical literature that traditional regression parameter estimation can lead to substantial amplitude attenuation if the predictors carry significant amounts of noise.

This has been an endless point made here but still many people have failed to understand the difference between these methods and the Mannian original hockey stick method. It’s also worth noting that these methods are applied throughout proxy based climatology and I’ve not seen a single good one.  Dr. Loehle made the best real effort by averaging pre-calibrated curves but his source data could very well be nonsense as  nobody has any proof that these proxies are in any way temperature.  Other papers using multi-proxy methods include rainfall estimates, sea ice extent and even one in coral that was run at Climate Audit.  They all seem to contain the same kinds of regressions, they keep finding unprecedented results, and they keep being passed through review despite these known MAJOR issues.

Anyway, it seemed worthwhile to call attention to this paper again and to try again and explain what is creating so many unprecedented paleoclimatology curves.  I hope that climate scientists continue their progress toward being honest about the horrible state of paleoclimatology and step back from the “unprecedented” language.  So far, there has been very little change.

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Steppin in it

Posted by Jeff Condon on July 1, 2010

There is a post at CA which deserves a bit more attention than it has been getting.  It has come to light that Phil (climategate) Jones made a statement during the Oxburgh ‘investigation’ to the effect of:

It is probably impossible to do the 1000-year temperature reconstructions with any accuracy

Well, I have to admit he has nailed this one right on the head.  Apparently this information came from a reliable source to SteveMcI.  So he took the time to appoach the head man of the alleged ‘investigators’.

I accordingly sent the following letter last week to Oxburgh (both to his House of Lords email and the UEA email address used for the “inquiry”), copying the letter to two members of the Parliamentary Committee and two journalists and forwarded it to the Muir Russell inquiry.

Dear Dr Oxburgh,
I am writing to you in your capacity as Chairman of the Science Appraisal Panel, which reported on April 14, 2010 on the independent external reappraisal of CRU’s science that had been announced by the University of East Anglia in February 2010.

It has come to my attention from a reliable source that, during one of his interviews with the Science Appraisal Panel, Phil Jones (of CRU) admitted that it was probably impossible to do these [1000-year temperature] reconstructions with any accuracy.

Given that this has been one of the most contentious, if not the most contentious issue, in the disputes about CRU’s science, the failure of the Science Appraisal Panel to record this important information appears to me to be a material omission that, in this case, distorts the research record.

Under the circumstances, I request that you forthwith issue an addendum that clearly reports Jones’ evidence on the probable impossibility of doing the 1000-year reconstructions with any accuracy.

Yours truly,
Stephen McIntyre

This morning, I received the following remarkable response:

Dear Dr Mcintyre,
Thank you for your message. What you report may or may not be the case. But as I have pointed out to you previously the science was not the subject of our study.
Yours sincerly,
Ron Oxburgh

Now Steve did a fine job pointing out that the study was alleged to be about the science at his post here but my favorite bit is that the Ox sob acknowledged (politician style) that Jones made the statement.

I’ve writtenmany times here that the hockey stick stuff is bad science and he scientists know it.  They know damned well that these plots have as much to do with temp as the ant population in Burma.  Jonesy stepped in it again.

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Extreme Climate –

Posted by Jeff Condon on July 1, 2010

Andrew or TTCA, wrote a post which linked to some commentary by Dr. Steig at Real Climate.  The comment was a bit stunning in my opinion.

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Barry Woods says:

If realclimate coudld link to luke wamer blogs, it might reduce the criticism of advocatcy..

‘climate Sicence for climate scientists’

as they link to desmog blog and geaorge monbiot,
but not climate audit, pielke’s or say lucia’s blackboard..
george monbiot is not a scientist, he is a journalist!

So it does look like advocacy to a new observer
If they cuold bring themselve to do this it would be a gesture of goodwill..

Having a link to ‘how to talk to Global Warming Sceptic’ vetted and endorsed by professionals at RealClimate, reflects, to an observer badly on RealClimate..

So, constructive advice, drop the links to the more ‘flag waving’ type advocacy sites, include some ‘respected’ alternative views, it would help Realclimate stop being ‘perceived’ as an advocacy site rather than a science site…

[Response: Being listed on our blogroll does not constitute endorsement. In general, the sites we do list -- whether they are run by scientists or not -- tend to get the science right much of the time, and hence are consistent with our mission. Being not-listed could mean that a) we haven't heard of the site, b) that it is uninteresting or unimportant, or c) that we consider it dishonest or disingenuous with respect to the science. Pielke Jr, Blackboard, and ClimateAudit all fall squarely into the latter category.--eric]

I’m glad tAV wasn’t listed by Dr. Steig but calling these three blogs dishonest or disingenuous is dis-gusting.  I’ve seen not one valid criticism of any statement of any of these three blogs at RC.  Nothing, not one.  I’ve done my share of Pielke bashing -for his ridiculous comments on CO2 limitation, very big view of himself and that kind of garbage but he does not strike me as dishonest.  I’ve made negative comments at the blackboard and they have been addressed openly.  Calling Lucia dishonest is um.. incorrect,and I suspect somewhat dangerous – she does knit after all.  Steve M probably doesn’t care.

I think the doc needs to start hanging out with a new group of friends.

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Dr. Christy Interview by Tom Fuller

Posted by Jeff Condon on July 1, 2010

Tom did an excellent interview with Dr. Christy today.   I’ve always enjoyed my email conversations with John Christy, he did’t let me down this time either.

Examiner: Human emissions of CO2 declined 2.6% in 2009, although concentrations didn’t change. How hopeful are you that our actions can reduce emissions further?

J.C. It is very clear that economic decline means less energy is used, and people are poorer as a result. So, one should congratulate those who created the recent economic collapse for the “good” news on emissions. However, I don’t see economic as a long-term strategy for society to follow. The most useful option to slow the decline in emissions is to proceed on a massive construction initiative in nuclear power (which has other defensible reasons to back it up – not just alleged climate change.) In this way, gigawatts of power can be produced with little emissions. Alternatives (wind, solar, animal methane) will be just an expensive and unreliable blip on the world-wide scale of emissions growth.

Read the whole interview here.

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