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Well Done

Posted by Jeff Id on May 2, 2011

Everyone who reads here has probably figured out that I don’t like government in general.  I’m a conservative American who also has an extraordinary dislike for our president.  He’s an awful person IMO, who is flatly unqualified to be in his position.   He is destroying our way of life with intent, yet he has done something good.   He had the guts to give Osama the trial he deserved with the proper outcome.

I dislike Obama a little less.  He’s still immoral, narcissistic to an extreme and flatly intends to destroy capitalism but he did send in a team across Pakistani borders to take out an even more evil man. The Pakistan government obviously was fully aware of Osama’s location and the news/public in Pakistan was less than excited about the outcome.  Obama actually stepped up to the plate, slapped the Pakistani extremist government in the face and said — don’t F…. with the US.  He even took the time to call the Pakistani Prez. and say thanks for the help which is probably standard operating procedure but reads a little different to the rest of the Muslim extremist world.   I wonder how those choppers just flew through Pakistani defenses right to the building they wanted — don’t you?

Was it done for poll points — who cares?

Billions in government aid yet no phone call for the strangely huge compound like 60 miles from the capital.  Imagine hiding Hitler 60 miles from Washington in a military city.  It is obvious that Pakistan was fully compliant in hiding Osama from us.

Well done Obama.  Now fix the rest of your insane policies and we’ll get along much better.


38 Responses to “Well Done”

  1. Tom said

    I really like Obama and support many, if not most, of his policies. I’ll echo your well done and raise you a tip of the hat.

  2. Jeff Id said

    I have no idea how anyone can support the insanely suicidal spending Obama has created, but we will see the result of that soon enough.

  3. TerryMN said

    Agreed (with the head post). It was a risky mission (kudos to the Navy for pulling it off) and a ballsy call. I’m glad he didn’t go the cruise missile / aerial photo route, and happy that the mission was successful. Also glad he made the call not to notify Pakistan, or the Senate or Congressional leaders beforehand.

    I too disagree with most all of his policies but on this op, for me it boils down to: ‘He done good’ – he and his cabinet (and also the armed forces, Navy in particular this time as the point of the spear) deserve congratulations and credit for a job well done.

  4. RB said

    “… to take out an even more evil man.”

    Wow!! If that reflects mainstream conservative opinion, the right is now more extremist than I realized. Having said that …
    I’ve said it before Jeff, but being a businessman doesn’t imply that you have an understanding of what constitutes good fiscal policy. Granted that government is inefficient and deficits do matter, but there is ample historical precedence here and abroad for austerity having a multiplier effect in depression-like economies. 1937 America and 1997 Japan are instances of austerity actually worsening the tax revenues and resultant deficits on account of the idle unemployed and the resultant feedback effect on the economy. I’m sure you have plenty of examples of those sitting at home buying LCDs instead of looking for a job too. The policies reflect current understanding based on the several depression-like economies of the past, though the practitioners play politics with it as well .

  5. Titan28 said

    A great day, yes. I don’t like the way Obama worked in all the “I’s” and “my’s” in his speech, but other than that we as Americans can all share in the moment. The Seals did a magnificent job. Days like this make me realize that more than anything I want a government that WORKS, and does what it is Constitutionally supposed to be doing, instead of screwing legislatively with my food, water, light bulbs, clothes dryers, washing machines, dish washing detergent, insect spray…Have you noticed that the Greens have us using a bunch of products that no longer work? We are not simply approaching the government-directed end of capitalism; we are erasing the Enlightenment.

    Anyway, kudos to Obama. We all win on this one. Now he can get back to dismantling what remains of the economy.

  6. stan said

    RB,

    You need to go easy on that stuff you are taking. The FDR wrecked the economy even worse in 1937 because he demonized business and investment to the point where net investment went negative. Investors were justly worried he would simply nationalize everything and appropriate their property. Net investment didn’t even go negative in 29 or 30 or any other previous year of the depression.

    You want to conflate GOP proposals to the FDR economic wreckage of the 30s?! That’s not apples to oranges. That’s apple sauce to bowling bowls. Or jelly beans to firewood.

  7. Mark T said

    Yeah, plenty of examples of spending twice our income and things turning out better. Wait, what???

    RB, your lack of economical sense matches your ignorance of history. Even Keynes realized the folly of his ideas after they were unsuccessfully applied to our economy.

    Realism is not extremism.

    Mark

  8. I agree with many of your sentiments, Jeff.

    I doubt if the news media have complete information.

    We live in interesting time!

  9. RB said

    Stan,
    My point concerns premature concerns about austerity in a depression-like economy, and not regarding any specific existent or non-existent GOP proposals. Nevertheless, with regards to 1937, you are of course entitled to your opinion – perhaps that was also something that Amity Shlaes said? Nevertheless, the stimulative effects of tax policy are well-recognized in modern economic theory . One of FDR’s errors was to prematurely raise taxes, thus prematurely tightening fiscal policy , in response to public concerns about a balanced budget. That premature tightening of fiscal policy contributed to the downturn of 1937 is well-recognized today. I don’t have faith in our governments to pull away the punch bowl when the going is good, which ought to be the true role of government i.e. counter-cyclical, but Christy Romer was quite one of the best persons for the job after things went wrong.

  10. Brian H said

    I gather Obama was more or less faced with a palace coup if he didn’t give the go-ahead. So, of course, he’s taking full credit for the success of something he didn’t want to do.

    He makes $3 bills look like the real deal.

  11. M. Simon said

    My kudos also to this President. And a salute to the US Navy:

    No Jimmy Carter

  12. M. Simon said

    RB,

    Yes. The stimulative effects of tax policy. I’m down with that. It is the spending policies and crony capitalism that bother me.

    ====

    In other news: Japanese press and TEPCO lying to the public:

    Fukushima Blockbuster

    i.e. it is worse than we thought.

  13. The basic problem is lack of trust.

    Did government officials encourage government scientists to misrepresent, hide and manipulate experimental data to promote false models of the Sun’s origin, composition, source of energy and influence on Earth’s climate?

    It appears to me that they did, but I may be wrong.

    Anyway, lack of trust in our government is the central issue.

  14. Sonicfrog said

    On Pakistan, I wrote this yesterday:

    “What…. A government in the Middle East…. Possibly being duplicitous…. No!!!!!!!!”

  15. Duster said

    I’m gonna sound like Ayn Rand here, but even so.

    “… immoral, narcissistic to an extreme …” describes politicians in general, and not those of any single party.

    As regards “… flatly intends to destroy capitalism ….” Ayn Rand would tell you, were she alive, that there has been no such thing as “capitalism” in the US in decades – I would say not since the inception of the Fed at least, probably longer since the big railroads in the US benefited from what could be called a “corporate welfare” system for decades before that as did other major industries. When you look it square in the face, big businesses (NOT small ones) are in outright competition with individual citizens and small businesses for governmental support, handouts, and everything that “conservatives” like to accuse leftists of wanting to do for “the people.” Oddly, the poor – through systems like welfare – and the super-wealthy, who sequester wealth, may be the entropic sinks that keep the economy working at all. You work it through and the economy is simply an extension of human ecology, which in turn is a subset of the planetary energy budget. Hmmm, ;-) so “economy” ?= “climate.”

  16. RB said

    Everyone’s narcissitic, it seems. A term that has deep roots in psychoanalytic literature appears to have become a popular descriptor so bloated as to have been rendered meaningless.

  17. July 20, 1969 – Neil Armstrong sets the first foot of man on the moon. Who was president? Who do we attribute that feat to?

    One president opened Gitmo, supported unorthodox interogation methods, and put the boots on the ground to gather all the data. Another said “ok”.

  18. Jeff Id said

    RB,

    Everyone’s narcissistic? Which words do you use to describe the extremist in chief then?

  19. grzejnik said

    I think that you discount the US 2 party political system and the institutions of government, other institutions, and social institutions too much. Obama under democracy in America within the American system, can advocate anything he likes, including the eradication of capitalism, universal healthcare, weekly commissar meetings whatever, but under our system, he can’t just do it overnight. There are checks and balances, and the process of something like this is slow and has to withstand the test of time and can be revoked and turned around by a next administration, by the people so to speak. Its not perfect or beyond corruption but I think you put too much power in Obama’s hands and any of his advocates.

    On killing Osama or hiding Hitler, I’m not qualified enough to say, although its interesting.

  20. Mark T said

    Checks and balances are not in place to deal with political parties, they are there to prevent branches of the government itself from gaining absolute control. As a result, when one party does gain control (or nearly so,) checks and balances cease to function properly. It was very easy for Obama to do what he did. Undoing it will be difficult.

    Mark

  21. Brah said

    Right on about BO’s narcissism. The only thing that would make BO more narcissistic is, say, landing on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit in front of a “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” banner.

    I, frankly, am proud of both of our recent Presidents for keeping their eye on the ball w.r.t. terrorism.

  22. RB said

    Well, since you might be asking, the older term was apparently egomaniac . The psychoanalyst above suggests this alternative though “It sounds more impressive to say that someone is narcissistic rather than a jerk,” said Dr. Susan Jaffe, a Manhattan psychoanalyst.

  23. Jeff Id said

    Brah,

    I have no idea how people can support what this government has done to America. Both parties culpable, but the progressive liberal movement is extraordinarily destructive — with intent. They need the emergency they will create at all costs. Bush appeared culpable in the banking schemes IMO but the information is sketchy, Obama is culpable in far more obvious ways.

    No need to be proud.

  24. Brah said

    JI: Just for calibration, I am what you would probably label a “RINO”.

    I don’t think leveraging crises is the sole domain of the “progressive liberal movement”, whatever the hell that means. Just today, I listened to Rep. Rogers (R-AL) tell us all how scared we should be and we can’t let down our guard and we need to be prepared to take action in Yemen. And the we-need-to-invade-because-of-WMDs and too-big-to-fail follies were decidedly not coming from the pinko crowd. Those were the neo-cons and the mainstreamers driving those, respectively.

    How you can assign “destructive intent” to the pinkos and ignore these other examples suggests your memory or your judgment is pretty selective, holmes.

  25. RB said

    For what it’s worth, 19th century America had more frequent recessions and deeper (multiple) depressions . And stock market returns were better in the 20th century as well with recessions becoming less frequent . This of course doesn’t have to imply that we have better government, but 19th century America in fact turns out to have been a worse time for the U.S. economy which was then an emerging market. Even conservative anguish bears a lot of similarity to the Depression era . Plus ca change… and all that ..

  26. Mark T said

    19th century America also had a massive influx of immigrants creating huge surpluses in the supply of workers which were unsupportable by any system. Capitalism was hardly what was in place then, either, so if that’s what you are attempting to imply, your statements are even sillier in context.

    Sigh… you only see what you want to see.

    Mark

  27. Politics and public opinions are not swayed by logic !

    Recent news reports show that Obama’s re-election plans have been bolstered by Osama’s death.

    E.g., http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_el_ge/us_bin_laden2012_politics

    Propaganda artists know how to manipulate the public opinion. Unfortunately, most of us here on this blog (including me) probably have little grasp of the ways that public opinions are molded by politicians.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel

  28. AP news honestly reports the struggles that Obama faces in trying to fabricate news the way climatologists fabricated the tale of AGW:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_bin_laden_white_house

    [i]“The White House struggled to craft its account of the audacious raid that killed Osama bin Laden . . “[/i]

    My observation: That is the problem exactly.

    Obama and other political leaders have become skilled propaganda artists, most definitely not the statesmen we need in this time of world crisis.

    Moral: If you find it difficult to lie out of both sides of your mouth, try speaking the truth instead!

  29. Amabo said

    I have to say I’m rather disappointed that he wasn’t taken alive and tried in court. It wouuld have been a more satisfying and dare I say ‘just’ conclusion.

  30. Alan D McIntire said

    I’ll concede that the raid on bin Laden’s compound was a gutsy call by that economic illiterate, Obama. It could have turned out like
    Carter’s attempted hostage rescue mission in Iran. With an equivalent failure on the bin Laden raid, Obama’s support would have dropped drastically even in the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton would have started running for president against Obama IMMEdIATELY.

  31. Keith W. said

    From the sound of things, Barry was smart enough to let the actual military professionals, the ones with experience on the ground, do the actual planning of the mission. When they had the evidence and the opportunity, he said, “Go.” I don’t care much politically for the man, but he made the right call in this instance.

  32. kim said

    Er, maybe not ‘Go’, but rather, ‘We’ve gone?’
    =============

  33. Brian H said

    Re: Keith W. (May 4 11:14),
    I hear they put a gun to his head — speaking figuratively (I think). I think Barry discovered the limits to his authority as CiC.

  34. John F. Pittman said

    #29 Amabo, I do not know that disappointment is justified. The ability to capture those who blow themselves and enemies up, has to be a bit limited. As the evidence of the attacks the group has admitted to being responsible have indicated. I do not see justice in losing valuable soldiers to allow OBLadin. I would see unfortunate planning, if not downright stupidity.

    However, the “just” part has already been defined. An outlaw is outside the law. It has been pointed out in several of the articles that I read that there was not a doubt of the legality of the killing, even under stricter rules that did not apply to this situation.

    I dare say you are wrong, except in the sense that in free countries you are allowed, even encouraged to have an opinion. In OBL’s vision, you are guilty simply if you exist in a culture that he dislikes. And in one place your are definetly wrong,and that place is where those in harm’s way decided to put metal on target.

  35. ColinD said

    #33 Brian H
    Here’s maybe some more detail on that. Mind blowing if true!

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

  36. kuhnkat said

    If you can’t see the disaster happening to the economy of the US and other Western type countries ain’t nothing I can say that will change your mind. So, I will go to the action. We are being told that the team brought back a number of hard drives and papers and other media from the place. Let’s see, they will probably encrypted so won’t be available as they fly to the carrier to beam out to waiting teams to round up miscreants. What am I yammering about?? Over 6 months of intense investigative work in addition to YEARS of intense investigative work and interrogations gave us an excellent chance to go in and take down the head of Al Qaida with the associated information on the current accounts, plans and whereabouts of some of the most important assets in the organization. EXCEPT or narcissistic Obie decided that he would practically televise the operation and make sure that ALL the bad guys would know we were on the way in, well, soon. How many of those resources will be gone when we go to collect them because this MORON decided to NOT keep it all quiet. Even with the loss of a stealth bird in the court yard it would have been easy to keep everyone guessing about the happenings for a week or two while the spooks went to work and got a shot at the goodies!!!

    Thanks Obie for wasting all that hard work of our guys putting their lives on the line so you could look good and all we got was MAYBE a guy who had been marginalized and was NOT that effective anymore!! Now we have a true MARTYR for the JIHAD and ALLAH!! All the other guys had been arrested and spilled their guts. OBL died in a fire fight. Way to go OBIE!!!!! You will assist the Jihad any way you can it seems.

    Tell us again why the order was to KILL and NOT to capture or kill???????????

  37. Amabo said

    JFP, my disappointment didn’t really take those things into consideration, but if there’s one thing we can say for sure about OBL, it’s that he’s not prone to blowing himself up. Sure, he’ll send out peons to blow themselves up on his behalf, but if we take into account the fact that he was trained in guerilla tactics by the CIA, so he probably knew his business, then we can consider him to be far more likely to fight with more cost-effective methods. (Ie, he’s more valuable as a symbol than splattered across the walls.)

    I doubt he wore explosive equipment on his person (for 10 straight years) and I’m guessing the special forces team caught him and his security by surprise, since it seemed to go off without much of a hitch, and they were able to recover a plethora of storage devices. (Unless these were left out handily and pre-packed the team probably spent some time searching for them.)
    So I’d rather they’d just brought a second large duffel bag to stuff him in while they were going through his office.

    Still, it would have been a calculated risk that the military was probably not willing to take.

  38. Steve S said

    Consider this evidence of how the system now works:

    Look up the story of the Hunt brothers and their attempt in the late 70s to corner the silver market. This fascinating story is especially telling today after the huge moves in the silver market over the past week. The main point of the Hunt brothers story was that the futures exchanges changed the rules to bring the Hunt brothers down.

    The final rule change by the Comex to ban any new open positions in the silver market was an extraordinary event that proves once and for all that we are not playing on a level playing field when we enter the markets.

    Nine of the 23 board members of the Comex had a total short position in silver of 38 million ounces at the time they changed the rules. It was certainly in their interests to see the price of silver fall and they had the power to make it happen by changing the rules of the game mid-stream.

    Last week we saw the same thing happen with margins increased three times within a week, forcing a sell-off in silver positions that turned into a landslide.

    The reason I am raving on about this is because no one else in the general US media is going to point out the fact that the banks that run this show i.e. the US of A have the power and the inclination to change the rules to suit themselves. And they do so, repeatedly.

    Not only that, but they continually position themselves to profit at the expense of other traders and investors.

    High Frequency Trading (HFT) is getting a lot of attention at the moment but very few people really understand what it is.

    A lot of the money that HFT traders make is based on front running other traders’ orders due to the sheer size and speed of the computing power HFT traders wield.

    Exchanges sell space in their computing nerve centres to HFT traders so their computers are positioned close to the hub and therefore shave nanoseconds off their execution speeds.

    This ensures that they can front run other orders that they see coming from other exchanges or to dark pools.

    So basically when you hear about investment banks making money on every trading day in the quarter (something that every trader worth his/her salt will know is impossible for any real trader) you should understand that they are basically stealing money by front running other traders’ orders.

    This is the world we all live in and the trading arena that is happening right now, 24/7.

    It is incredibly naïve to think that the current market environment is a free market that reflects the true state of things in the world and is a true reflection of fundamental value.

    US 10-year bonds are currently trading at 3.14%!!! Would you lend someone money at ~3% for 10 years when you knew that they were already up to their eyeballs in debt and there was no end in sight to their problems?

    The distortions in the US bond market caused by the continual interference of the Fed are at the epicentre of the distortions that are seen throughout all other markets. Worldwide, stocks, corporate debt, commodities, currencies etc., are all beating to the insane drum of the US bond markets and the US dollar.

    The incredibly high correlations that we see between all world markets are actually increasing risk because all of a sudden every trade is one and the same.

    The US dollar carry trade and the Yen carry trade have been used by the banks (i.e. their executives) to enrich themselves and most recently to help repair their balance sheets.

    This is the true reason for the huge spike in commodities since the Fed began printing money again.

    This is why commodities could fall in a heap again as they did in 2008, because the unwinding of that trade by the banks will show the true state of affairs; which is that the economy of the world is still battered and bruised and is shuddering once now that the money printing and fiscal stimulus is starting to wear off.

    A thorough analysis of today’s markets needs a healthy dose of scepticism about the motives behind the Fed’s actions and an understanding of the true repercussions of flat out money printing.

    Any other analysis will be only looking at the symptoms and not the cause.

    It’s actually insane to worry about OBL if at the same time you don’t realize you have now been fully reduced by those who own Barack Obama, the GOP, and the Fed, to the status of mere fleas crawling on the skin of a rampaging Godzilla.

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