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		<title>By: Climate Scientists’ Road to Hell &#124; 2012 The Awakening</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-91172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate Scientists’ Road to Hell &#124; 2012 The Awakening]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] statistical analysis also lands authors in this circle, we might find a certain Dr Eric Steig here, still arguing his side, having smeared warmth from the West Antarctic Peninsula across the continent as an artefact of his [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Climate Scientists’ Road to Hell &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate Scientists’ Road to Hell &#124; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Climate Scientists&#8217; Road to Hell &#124; Digging in the Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Climate Scientists&#8217; Road to Hell &#124; Digging in the Clay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, thanks for the copy of the Orsi paper.  Here I would like to comment on the my earlier surmise that Steig was premature in his assessment of the impact of this paper on the Steig/ O&#039;Donnell debate.  First of all the O&#039;Donnell paper pointed to  problems of the Steig paper and those problems do not go away because a single borehole happens to agree more closely with the Steig paper than the O&#039;Donnell paper.  

As we know the basis of using borehole temperature profiles to model the surface ground temperature history uses the inverse methods which are inherently ill posed.  The method obtains solutions through subjective selection of parameters and assumptions.  There are actually a couple of approaches to using borehole profiles for temperature reconstruction:

&quot;2 Ways to Interpret Depth Profiles:

 Forward Modeling: Straightforward “trial-and-error approach.&quot; Compute the temperature-depth profile given an estimate of the past surface temperature history, and adjust the input temperature history according to the discrepancy between borehole observation and constructed profile.  _

Inversion: Several mathematically sophisticated inverse methods exist. Requires subjective judgement in choice of method, parameterization of  reconstruction (eg. judgements of data quality), assessment of uncertainty, resolution&quot;

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf

What surprises me is that borehole measurements and temperature reconstructions are rather well accepted by many in and outside the climate science community as a valid measurement of , at least, low frequency changes in past temperatures.

The comment below from Wikipedia warns against using borehole measurements, with the poor temporal resolution existing in these methods, for comparison with the instrumental temperature record.

&quot;At the start of the 20th Century, their resolution is a few decades; hence they do not provide a useful check on the instrumental temperature record.&quot;[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)



In addition we have the difference of surface air temperature versus ground measurement.

&quot;However, they record surface temperature not the near-surface temperature (1.5 meter) used for most &quot;surface&quot; weather observations. These can differ substantially under extreme conditions or when there is surface snow. In practice the effect on borehole temperature is believed to be generally small.&quot;

We also have the warning in the excerpt from the paper linked below about placing confidence in a single borehole measurement.

&quot;We examine the subhemispheric spatial correlation of GST and SAT trends at various
spatial scales. In the 5-degree grid employed for optimal detection, we find that the
majority of grid element means are determined from three or fewer boreholes, a
number that is insufficient to suppress site-specific noise via ensemble averaging...

...To appreciate the significance of this sparse occupancy, one must recognize the uncertainties that affect the interpretation of individual borehole temperature profiles. The inevitable presence of site-specific noise in subsurface temperatures (see Shen et al. [1995] and Pollack and Huang [2000] for a discussion of these effects), has led geothermal researchers to caution against placing confidence in a reconstruction derived from a single borehole; more typically they discuss regional ensembles of data [Shen et al., 1995; Pollack et al., 1996] and the regional climatic reconstructions derived from the data ensembles. This procedure has parallels in the assembly of a  dendroclimatological chronology. A chronology derived from a single tree would surely be viewed with skepticism compared to a chronology assembled from scores of trees. [18] To enhance the regional climate signal while suppressing site-specific noise, geothermal researchers employ simultaneous inversion of several boreholes [Beltrami et al., 1997] or averaging of several individual reconstructions [Shen et al., 1995]. Simultaneous inversion seeks a signal compatible (within tolerance levels) with all of the individual borehole temperature profiles; the averaging technique operates under the assumption that site-specific noise is random and cancels under averaging, whereas a regional climate signal is common and additive.&quot;


http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf



In commenting on the various ice core records the Orsi paper states the following:


&quot;In addition, other records have weak trends (South Pole [Mosley-Thompson et al., 1993]), or slightly increasing trends (Siple Dome [Mayewski et al., 2004]), raising the possibility of considerable spatial heterogeneity of the climate signal within Antarctica.&quot;


What I find amusing is that if a layperson or non member of the climate science community were to make a very incautious statement such as Steig did here that person would be severely (and rightly so) criticized for their lack of a broader view of the issue at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for the copy of the Orsi paper.  Here I would like to comment on the my earlier surmise that Steig was premature in his assessment of the impact of this paper on the Steig/ O&#8217;Donnell debate.  First of all the O&#8217;Donnell paper pointed to  problems of the Steig paper and those problems do not go away because a single borehole happens to agree more closely with the Steig paper than the O&#8217;Donnell paper.  </p>
<p>As we know the basis of using borehole temperature profiles to model the surface ground temperature history uses the inverse methods which are inherently ill posed.  The method obtains solutions through subjective selection of parameters and assumptions.  There are actually a couple of approaches to using borehole profiles for temperature reconstruction:</p>
<p>&#8220;2 Ways to Interpret Depth Profiles:</p>
<p> Forward Modeling: Straightforward “trial-and-error approach.&#8221; Compute the temperature-depth profile given an estimate of the past surface temperature history, and adjust the input temperature history according to the discrepancy between borehole observation and constructed profile.  _</p>
<p>Inversion: Several mathematically sophisticated inverse methods exist. Requires subjective judgement in choice of method, parameterization of  reconstruction (eg. judgements of data quality), assessment of uncertainty, resolution&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf</a></p>
<p>What surprises me is that borehole measurements and temperature reconstructions are rather well accepted by many in and outside the climate science community as a valid measurement of , at least, low frequency changes in past temperatures.</p>
<p>The comment below from Wikipedia warns against using borehole measurements, with the poor temporal resolution existing in these methods, for comparison with the instrumental temperature record.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the start of the 20th Century, their resolution is a few decades; hence they do not provide a useful check on the instrumental temperature record.&#8221;[</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)</a></p>
<p>In addition we have the difference of surface air temperature versus ground measurement.</p>
<p>"However, they record surface temperature not the near-surface temperature (1.5 meter) used for most "surface" weather observations. These can differ substantially under extreme conditions or when there is surface snow. In practice the effect on borehole temperature is believed to be generally small."</p>
<p>We also have the warning in the excerpt from the paper linked below about placing confidence in a single borehole measurement.</p>
<p>"We examine the subhemispheric spatial correlation of GST and SAT trends at various<br />
spatial scales. In the 5-degree grid employed for optimal detection, we find that the<br />
majority of grid element means are determined from three or fewer boreholes, a<br />
number that is insufficient to suppress site-specific noise via ensemble averaging...</p>
<p>...To appreciate the significance of this sparse occupancy, one must recognize the uncertainties that affect the interpretation of individual borehole temperature profiles. The inevitable presence of site-specific noise in subsurface temperatures (see Shen et al. [1995] and Pollack and Huang [2000] for a discussion of these effects), has led geothermal researchers to caution against placing confidence in a reconstruction derived from a single borehole; more typically they discuss regional ensembles of data [Shen et al., 1995; Pollack et al., 1996] and the regional climatic reconstructions derived from the data ensembles. This procedure has parallels in the assembly of a  dendroclimatological chronology. A chronology derived from a single tree would surely be viewed with skepticism compared to a chronology assembled from scores of trees. [18] To enhance the regional climate signal while suppressing site-specific noise, geothermal researchers employ simultaneous inversion of several boreholes [Beltrami et al., 1997] or averaging of several individual reconstructions [Shen et al., 1995]. Simultaneous inversion seeks a signal compatible (within tolerance levels) with all of the individual borehole temperature profiles; the averaging technique operates under the assumption that site-specific noise is random and cancels under averaging, whereas a regional climate signal is common and additive.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~jsmerdon/papers/Pollack_and_Smerdon_Journal.pdf</a></p>
<p>In commenting on the various ice core records the Orsi paper states the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;In addition, other records have weak trends (South Pole [Mosley-Thompson et al., 1993]), or slightly increasing trends (Siple Dome [Mayewski et al., 2004]), raising the possibility of considerable spatial heterogeneity of the climate signal within Antarctica.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find amusing is that if a layperson or non member of the climate science community were to make a very incautious statement such as Steig did here that person would be severely (and rightly so) criticized for their lack of a broader view of the issue at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Condon</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Condon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I send the Orsi paper to you by email.   I think you will find it interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I send the Orsi paper to you by email.   I think you will find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Fritsch</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Fritsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“This record also confirms the work of Steig et al.
 [2009], showing that WAIS Divide has been warming by
 0.23   0.08  C per decade over 1957–2007 C.E.”

Jeff, I am curious whether the borehole was actually a bore hole or an ice core measurement.  I have recorded and analyzed a number of ice core measurements and found these result greatly varying - as a proxy for temperature - over relatively short distances.  The O18 and H2 isotope ratio proxy concepts for temperature are probably the best temperature proxies available in my opinion, but these proxies are better at measuring large changes in temperatures as occurred over a complete glacial period than in getting smaller changes like we see over the modern warming period correct. 

If Steig is making his claim based on a single proxy measurement, I would think that would be evidence that he has been spoiled by the climate science community that seems to accept without criticism conclusions that are in agreement with the consensus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This record also confirms the work of Steig et al.<br />
 [2009], showing that WAIS Divide has been warming by<br />
 0.23   0.08  C per decade over 1957–2007 C.E.”</p>
<p>Jeff, I am curious whether the borehole was actually a bore hole or an ice core measurement.  I have recorded and analyzed a number of ice core measurements and found these result greatly varying &#8211; as a proxy for temperature &#8211; over relatively short distances.  The O18 and H2 isotope ratio proxy concepts for temperature are probably the best temperature proxies available in my opinion, but these proxies are better at measuring large changes in temperatures as occurred over a complete glacial period than in getting smaller changes like we see over the modern warming period correct. </p>
<p>If Steig is making his claim based on a single proxy measurement, I would think that would be evidence that he has been spoiled by the climate science community that seems to accept without criticism conclusions that are in agreement with the consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: omanuel</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77044</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, thanks to the courage and patience of &lt;i&gt;climate skeptics&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;whistle blowers&lt;/i&gt;, and official responses from leaders of nations, editors, and heads of research organizations and institutions that confirm intentional deception, . . .

I was finally able to &lt;i&gt;&quot;connect all the dots&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and to find the words to concisely express my conclusion to Climategate:

&lt;b&gt;From Hiroshima in Aug 1945 to Climategate in Nov 2009&lt;/b&gt;

Living inside the &lt;i&gt;“sphere of influence”&lt;/i&gt; of the Sun’s pulsar &lt;b&gt;core&lt;/b&gt;
Is like living in electron orbits around an atom’s nuclear &lt;b&gt;core&lt;/b&gt;
We are humbly connected to &lt;b&gt;RTG&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;b&gt;Reality, Truth, God&lt;/b&gt;), or
We are arrogantly connected to &lt;b&gt;false illusions of control !&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;THERE ARE NO, ABSOLUTELY NO, EXCEPTIONS&lt;/b&gt;

The conclusion is being written here; http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

It is consistent with the conclusion of many other scientists and religionists:

We can arrive at the same &lt;b&gt;RTG&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;i&gt;Reality, Truth, God&lt;/i&gt;) by many different paths:
&lt;i&gt;Experimentation, observation, meditation, contemplation, silence, prayer, etc.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you, Jeff, for all that you have done to make this possible.

With kind regards,
&lt;i&gt;- Oliver K. Manuel&lt;/i&gt;
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
http://www.omatumr.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks to the courage and patience of <i>climate skeptics</i> and <i>whistle blowers</i>, and official responses from leaders of nations, editors, and heads of research organizations and institutions that confirm intentional deception, . . .</p>
<p>I was finally able to <i>&#8220;connect all the dots&#8221;</i> and to find the words to concisely express my conclusion to Climategate:</p>
<p><b>From Hiroshima in Aug 1945 to Climategate in Nov 2009</b></p>
<p>Living inside the <i>“sphere of influence”</i> of the Sun’s pulsar <b>core</b><br />
Is like living in electron orbits around an atom’s nuclear <b>core</b><br />
We are humbly connected to <b>RTG</b> (<b>Reality, Truth, God</b>), or<br />
We are arrogantly connected to <b>false illusions of control !</b></p>
<p><b>THERE ARE NO, ABSOLUTELY NO, EXCEPTIONS</b></p>
<p>The conclusion is being written here; <a href="http://omanuel.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://omanuel.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>It is consistent with the conclusion of many other scientists and religionists:</p>
<p>We can arrive at the same <b>RTG</b> (<i>Reality, Truth, God</i>) by many different paths:<br />
<i>Experimentation, observation, meditation, contemplation, silence, prayer, etc.</i></p>
<p>Thank you, Jeff, for all that you have done to make this possible.</p>
<p>With kind regards,<br />
<i>- Oliver K. Manuel</i><br />
Former NASA Principal<br />
Investigator for Apollo<br />
<a href="http://www.omatumr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.omatumr.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Childs (LC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurie Childs (LC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever since the “release” of the AR5 ZOD’s it’s been obvious to me that O10 was going to get sidelined and S09 was going to continue to be promoted as the seminal paper. This just confirms it. Charlatans, the lot of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since the “release” of the AR5 ZOD’s it’s been obvious to me that O10 was going to get sidelined and S09 was going to continue to be promoted as the seminal paper. This just confirms it. Charlatans, the lot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff: If I am reading the colors right, your paper gives a 0.25 deg/decade warming (yellow) in the area of the WAIS Divide.
Steig shows 0.5 degree/decade in his (red).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: If I am reading the colors right, your paper gives a 0.25 deg/decade warming (yellow) in the area of the WAIS Divide.<br />
Steig shows 0.5 degree/decade in his (red).</p>
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		<title>By: jeff Condon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff Condon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone.   There were a few questions about Orsi&#039;s support of Steig and where that came from in the WUWT thread.  

This quote is in the conclusion of Orsi:

&quot;This record also confirms the work of Steig et al.
[2009], showing that WAIS Divide has been warming by
0.23  0.08 C per decade over 1957–2007 C.E.&quot;

Which is what earned him an honorable mention in the post.  Just because nonsense math resulted in a similar slope to other nonsense math, doesn&#039;t mean it confirms anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone.   There were a few questions about Orsi&#8217;s support of Steig and where that came from in the WUWT thread.  </p>
<p>This quote is in the conclusion of Orsi:</p>
<p>&#8220;This record also confirms the work of Steig et al.<br />
[2009], showing that WAIS Divide has been warming by<br />
0.23  0.08 C per decade over 1957–2007 C.E.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is what earned him an honorable mention in the post.  Just because nonsense math resulted in a similar slope to other nonsense math, doesn&#8217;t mean it confirms anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post Jeff.  I know (or believe I know) how time pressured you are.

Eric just can&#039;t stand being wrong.  That gets in the way of good science, and he&#039;s very capable of that, so this is a pity for all of us, not just those who rely on him to defend the status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Jeff.  I know (or believe I know) how time pressured you are.</p>
<p>Eric just can&#8217;t stand being wrong.  That gets in the way of good science, and he&#8217;s very capable of that, so this is a pity for all of us, not just those who rely on him to defend the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Alayaband</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alayaband]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks the info, please follow me on Twitter..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks the info, please follow me on Twitter..</p>
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		<title>By: stevefitzpatrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One good thing is that Eric remains just as dilusional (or dishonest) as he was in the original review process. Good to know that he absolutely can&#039;t be trusted; this simplifies things, you just ingore everything he writes or says.  Take his course in Mathcad indeed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One good thing is that Eric remains just as dilusional (or dishonest) as he was in the original review process. Good to know that he absolutely can&#8217;t be trusted; this simplifies things, you just ingore everything he writes or says.  Take his course in Mathcad indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Pascvaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pascvaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 00:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it.&quot;
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

The problem for many is that the &#039;proposed explanation&#039; is so always limited by the knowledge of the proposer; this little problem also tends to limit the &#039;test&#039; for some reason.  Remember, there is nothing new under the Sun, as always, there are very few great minds on this rock.  One other observation if I may, have you noticed that there are fewer books by science fiction writers?  Books are so yuck these days!  Wanna&#039;be-fiction-writers who couldn&#039;t write a book if their life depended on it, or sell one if they could write, seem to become PhD&#039;s these days.  It may be the fact that they have an endless supply of captive, blank, young minds to blow each day.  Maybe?

PS: Hypothesis - The more we blog of, and with, science fiction PhD&#039;s the more they make.  (Hummmm.. wonder if I could do that too?;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it.&#8221;<br />
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<p>The problem for many is that the &#8216;proposed explanation&#8217; is so always limited by the knowledge of the proposer; this little problem also tends to limit the &#8216;test&#8217; for some reason.  Remember, there is nothing new under the Sun, as always, there are very few great minds on this rock.  One other observation if I may, have you noticed that there are fewer books by science fiction writers?  Books are so yuck these days!  Wanna&#8217;be-fiction-writers who couldn&#8217;t write a book if their life depended on it, or sell one if they could write, seem to become PhD&#8217;s these days.  It may be the fact that they have an endless supply of captive, blank, young minds to blow each day.  Maybe?</p>
<p>PS: Hypothesis &#8211; The more we blog of, and with, science fiction PhD&#8217;s the more they make.  (Hummmm.. wonder if I could do that too?;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Les Johnson</title>
		<link>http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/proof-and-genius/#comment-77026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 22:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff: I left this response at WUWT.  What is your opinion of my analysis?

&lt;i&gt;Some points on Orsi. His Figure 3 shows warming of about 1.5 deg since the 80s. I believe this is what Steig is happy about. 

The problem, though, is that Figure 3 shows no warming from 1957 to about about 1980. Steig said there was a warming of about 0.5 deg/decade from 1957 (correct me if the dates are wrong). That would make warming of about 2.6 deg warming to 2009 (2.15 deg to 2000). Not the 1.5 deg measured by Orsi to 2000. Orsi’s start date is moot, as he shows no warming 1900-1980.

Thus, Orsi validates O’donnel 2010 (O10), as O10 shows about 0.25 deg/decade of warming from 1957, in the location of the WAIS Divide. (yellow, 0.25 deg/decade, in the temperature scale for O10; red and 0.5 deg/decade for Steig09). O10 would give a warming of 0.25 deg/decade, vs Orsi’s 0.35, starting both from 1957.

This is also totaly ignores the fact that Orsi shows no warming for over 20 years (1957-1980), but which Steig09 says did occur.

Steig09 is actually proven wrong by the Orsi paper.Both in the amount of warming, and in the length of the warming, and in the slope of the warming. Orsi’s numbers are much closer to O10, except the slope.

Granted, Orsi’s warming is about 0.75 deg/decade, but there is only two decades of warming in his record.

Summary: From 1957, O10 shows 1.075 deg of warming to 2000. Steig09 shows 2.15 deg. Orsi’s measured warming from 1957 is 1.5 deg to 2000. O10 (-28% low) is closer to Orsi than Steig (+43% high).

caveat: most of the numbers I use are eyeballed, albeit using a ruler for Orsi and figure 3.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: I left this response at WUWT.  What is your opinion of my analysis?</p>
<p><i>Some points on Orsi. His Figure 3 shows warming of about 1.5 deg since the 80s. I believe this is what Steig is happy about. </p>
<p>The problem, though, is that Figure 3 shows no warming from 1957 to about about 1980. Steig said there was a warming of about 0.5 deg/decade from 1957 (correct me if the dates are wrong). That would make warming of about 2.6 deg warming to 2009 (2.15 deg to 2000). Not the 1.5 deg measured by Orsi to 2000. Orsi’s start date is moot, as he shows no warming 1900-1980.</p>
<p>Thus, Orsi validates O’donnel 2010 (O10), as O10 shows about 0.25 deg/decade of warming from 1957, in the location of the WAIS Divide. (yellow, 0.25 deg/decade, in the temperature scale for O10; red and 0.5 deg/decade for Steig09). O10 would give a warming of 0.25 deg/decade, vs Orsi’s 0.35, starting both from 1957.</p>
<p>This is also totaly ignores the fact that Orsi shows no warming for over 20 years (1957-1980), but which Steig09 says did occur.</p>
<p>Steig09 is actually proven wrong by the Orsi paper.Both in the amount of warming, and in the length of the warming, and in the slope of the warming. Orsi’s numbers are much closer to O10, except the slope.</p>
<p>Granted, Orsi’s warming is about 0.75 deg/decade, but there is only two decades of warming in his record.</p>
<p>Summary: From 1957, O10 shows 1.075 deg of warming to 2000. Steig09 shows 2.15 deg. Orsi’s measured warming from 1957 is 1.5 deg to 2000. O10 (-28% low) is closer to Orsi than Steig (+43% high).</p>
<p>caveat: most of the numbers I use are eyeballed, albeit using a ruler for Orsi and figure 3.</i></p>
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