Continuing The Charade
Posted by Jeff Id on February 9, 2009
They keep going at RC. Now they make the claim that the code is released but the data is proprietary.
Other than a couple of people the conversation seems to be converging on the fact that providing the code and data is preferable. Dr. Schmidt has said that this will be done in the case of the Steig paper. [editor note: this was done in the case of Steig et al with respect to code though perhaps not with as much hand-holding as you seem to want. some of these data are proprietary (NASA), but will be made available in the near future]
Click on the comment link – comment 63.
Well I just got done with a discussion on my other thread where someone kept saying — you have the data you dont’ have the code. You need to stop saying you don’t have the data because readers won’t believe you. I of course kept pointing out the problem with his assumptions.
Here’s the old position.
Response: ALL of the data that were used in the paper, and EXACTLY the code used in our paper have been available for a long time, indeed, long before we published our paper. This is totally transparent, and attempts to make it appear otherwise are disingenuous.
So which ist it, has the data been released or not?
The comments about code are unreasonable.
Tim L said
Holy crap!
the sat data was not available, and they just kept you wasting time!!!!!! Why not come out and say it in the first place?
Neil Fisher said
This gets worse and worse, Jeff – *all* the code is there except the parameters you need to configure it, which you presumably should be able to figure out yourself. *All* the data is there except some that will be released later – of course, the data being withheld is critical to duplication. Just how you are supposed to duplicate this with what you have is beyond me.
Jeff Id said
Guess what, I’m close. I don’t know what parameters he uses but I’m running the recon on the AWS stations with every guess I can. It’s early but it looks like temp is less robust to recon than they claim and they should have coughed up the code cause after four hours of guessing “parameters” with many more to come, I’m grumpy about it.
Also, there is post processing code as well as verification code they could release as well.
Demesure said
Jeff,
You should have a look at the Amman’s case illustrating the obvious reasons why a team member fights NOT to release his data & code : http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3393
(the whole Amman affair is here : http://www.climateaudit.org/?cat=20 ).