Obama’s Policy for Global Warming
Posted by Jeff Id on March 5, 2009
IMO, this is the biggest news coming out of global warming in some time.
The keynote speaker for climate change Todd Stern. Apparently he’s the envoy of climate change. We’ve found the nexus.
This is an extremely important address. It states quite clearly the true intent of the Obama administration. I have pointed out repeatedly here, Obama has set up a network of cabinet politicians with a single item in common – global warming. This is a key focus of the fear center the administration intends to use for Americas voluntary transition to socialism. Consistent with governments around the world, there are numerous bits of flatly false information which I’ll highlight in red.
Todd Stern is a Clinton politician with no science background yet he pretends to know what he’s talking about. Here’s a link to some of his history.
What we’re looking at folks is nothing less than the end of the American way of life, everything we ever fought for or wanted. Everything America had to show the world about a better way of life being sold out in the false name of a poorly understood physical process. Read on, I copied the whole article without reference, screw em.
My bold, red is false information, since this is the US envoy who is backed by a great deal of science it is deliberately false. People who claim lie here will have trouble with moderation unless it’s used correctly. Green is my Id letting go, I’ll keep it to a minimum because I’m not important in this article but some comments can’t be held back
This man does not know climate, this is simply a politician who sees climate as a mechanism to a goal. What is very very important is this man’s words are those of the man voted to president.
The rest of the world feels a sense of victory at catching up to the US. After all, wouldn’t we if we had a similar situation with Russia or Japan. Don’t be fooled my foreign friends, it’s a false competition. The death of the dream here is the death of the dream for the people of the world. America’s consumption supported many bad governments around the world. Those who have embraced socialism will realize soon that without an outlet for their product, their own strained existences will shrink dramatically.
I’m sorry for the bad news, there are plenty of liberal readers who come by but this is the world we live in.
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Keynote Remarks at U.S. Climate Action Symposium
Todd Stern
Special Envoy for Climate Change
Senate Hart Office Building
Washington, DC
March 3, 2009
Thank you, Lord Stern. Thank you Jonathan Lash and WRI; Fred Bergsten and the Peterson Institute; and Nancy Birdsall and the Center for Global Development. You and your colleagues have done so much to ensure the right response to the climate crisis, and we all deeply appreciate that. And today, you’ve brought us together for a very important discussion.
Lord Stern, it is an honor to share the podium with you. You have made an enormous contribution to our understanding of this issue, including the complex questions of economic cost – both the cost of action and the costs of inaction — which have too often been ignored. What is clear from Lord Stern’s work is that the costs of action, though real, are affordable, while the costs of inaction – economic, environmental and national security – are so profound that if we fail at this moment of truth, it will amount to a breach of our generational contract to leave our children a better world. Thank you all for coming. This is a distinguished group: leaders from other countries, from NGOs, from corporations, and from here on the Hill. I am honored to be part of the day’s events. And delighted that the U.S. Government now can be and wants to be a genuine part of such a gathering.
You know, when I think about the U.S. getting back in the game after sitting too long on the sidelines, I’m reminded of that famous 2-word press release that Michael Jordan issued in 1996 after having left basketball for most of 2 years. (I will confess to being from Chicago and to being a bit of a Chicago Bulls nut.) At any rate, as reported in 4-inch headlines in every paper in Chicago on that great day, Michael’s statement read in full: “I’M BACK.” And so while I definitely can’t promise that we’ll have as good a year as Michael Jordan – and I definitely don’t mean to suggest that we’re the league MVP — I can say, “We’re Back.”
The U.S. is in the game. We are seized by the importance and urgency of the task. The President has made the transformation to a low-carbon economy a core part of his domestic agenda. And we are eager to get a strong new international agreement done in Copenhagen. What’s more, the President has put together a terrific team of people to work on the climate/energy challenge, including Steven Chu, John Holdren, Carol Browner, Lisa Jackson, Nancy Sutley and many others.
It is of course, a vital thing that the United States is back, because the seriousness of the climate problem becomes more stark and disturbing with each passing year.
Recent science indicates that key climate impacts will happen more rapidly and be more severe than the IPCC assessments of only two years ago. Arctic sea ice is disappearing much faster than anticipated, and researchers now predict ice-free summers in the Arctic Ocean as soon as 2013, creating a feedback loop, as dark water absorbs more sunlight and increases warming. The melting of permafrost in the tundra in raises the risk of a huge methane release, with more dangerous feedback potential. The Greenland Ice Sheet is steadily shrinking. Sea level is now expected to rise much more than previously anticipated – some 0.8-2.5 meters in the 21st century. Water supplies are increasingly at risk with the melting of glaciers in Asia and the Western Hemisphere. And oceans are rapidly acidifying. Arctic sea ice increased in recent years, even if you want to argue that point the more rapid comment is obvious BS.
Now we are obviously on the front end of our work, and certainly do not have fully articulated views yet. I was sworn in as the Special Envoy for Climate Change only 19 days ago, my staff is still in formation and we are busy consulting with other governments, US stakeholders, Members of Congress and others. At the same time, we are keenly aware that time is short. The Bali Roadmap may have given the global community two years to reach a new accord, but it has given us in the U.S. Government only about 9 months. So we are already operating in high gear.
Secretary Clinton’s trip to Asia started us off on a very positive note. The most striking takeaway, perhaps, was that the Secretary elevated global climate change to the top tier of U.S. foreign policy concerns. This was a new and powerful thing. Those of us who have tilled these fields for many years have often talked of the need to lift this issue out of the third tier of our key bilateral relationships. And Mrs. Clinton did that, in spades. In every country and with every leader, she made clear that she was seeking to address a three-part agenda – the global economic crisis, global climate change, and security challenges like Afghanistan and North Korea. Climate change was front and center; at the core of the business the United States sought to do with each of these nations. And I should say, as well, that our approach in each of these countries was to resolve to work constructively and respectfully together.
We have a great deal of work ahead of us now. Understanding that we are still well short of a full-blown plan, let me talk about 10 principles that will underpin our approach to Copenhagen and beyond. At their core, they are about using science, doing the math, paying attention to politics, and relying upon common sense rather than stale rhetoric.
First: we need to be guided by science. The point of an agreement, after all, must be to solve the problem. Thus, we should set our compass by a long-range objective, and we should lay out a pathway for getting there. This pathway will doubtless be more fleshed out in the short term – it is easier to see the down the road 5 or 10 years than 30 or 40. But the longer vision should at least be sketched out.
One of the defects of the Kyoto Protocol, at least as it was received here, was that it seemed very difficult but not very consequential, because with only a five-year time horizon, it was disconnected from any broader vision for solving the problem.
Being guided by the science also means that there need to be regular reviews so that we can, if necessary, recalibrate what we’re doing. So far, the actual facts on the ground (and in the air and the oceans) have outstripped even the worst-case scenarios of the modelers. Developments in coming years could demonstrate that even the ambitious steps we hope to take in Copenhagen fall well short of the mark. If so, we will need to know that in real time and have the capacity to reconvene earlier than anticipated. Yup nothing to say except bovine scatology.
Second: we in the United States recognize our responsibility, as the largest historic emitter of greenhouse gases, to play a leading role in the effort to contain global warming. Consistent with that responsibility, we are in the early stages of putting in place a strong, mandatory plan to cut emissions and develop a low-carbon economy. This includes a broad-based cap and trade program, which President Obama reaffirmed as a top priority just last week in his speech to Congress and in the budget he submitted. It will also include a robust set of clean energy measures such as tough efficiency standards for autos; new efficiency standards for appliances; a major push for renewable energy; and a 10-year, $150 billion investment in clean energy research, development and demonstration.
Of course, in light of the deep and wide economic crisis we are in, there will be real pressure, both substantive and political, to go slow and to right the economic ship before setting sail toward a new low-carbon horizon. But doing that, in my judgment, would be a serious, consequential mistake.
It is not that transitioning to a low-carbon economy will be cost-free – of course it won’t. We need major up front investments. And we need to use policy measures to promote low-carbon energy sources that, at least in the short term, cost more than the fossil sources they would replace (although let’s not forget that some of those fossil sources have enjoyed government support and subsidies of their own for decades).
But this transition, once triggered by strong, unambiguous policy and price signals, is likely to unleash a torrent of new innovation and investment. There is enormous pent up desire among scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs in this country and around the world – especially among the younger generation of talent – to be part of the clean energy solution and to make their names and their fortunes doing so. Not that they are waiting. They are working right now to deliver the future. But with clear policy signals, they will be able to really let it rip.
This task of new innovation and investment is so vast – literally the transformation of the energy base of the global economy – that it can become a key driver of economic growth in the 21st century.
There is another key reason why we cannot postpone the low-carbon project until after the economy stabilizes. The effort at stabilization itself will entail an enormous fiscal response by governments around the world and it is critical that this response push us in the right direction, not deepen the carbon hole we are already in. President Obama understands this, and so his $780B stimulus plan includes some $80B for green recovery. I might add that China, for its part, has included at least $50B for green development in its own $585B stimulus plan. These are the models that need to be replicated everywhere. If, instead, the infrastructure built with government stimulus funds around the world locks in high-carbon energy for the next two generations, we will have made a huge and fateful mistake. I almost wouldn’t have made any comments except this issue needs to be pointed out. Obama’s administration is holding communist China as the appropriate policy to the world!! Are you listening to this? Does anyone else see the problems with the policy and the idiocy of the comparison? I’ve been there, the sky is fargin brown — this deserves red color but it isn’t as provable. China cannot, has not, will not do shit to stop global warming. Between them and India they produce a new coal plant per week, why are we being lied to?
To borrow from President Obama, we must seize opportunity from ordeal and make sure that the stimulus programs around the world designed to pull us out of this recession propel us toward a brighter future, not toward a day of reckoning.
Third: the United States is committed to reaching a strong international agreement in Copenhagen based on both the ambitious actions that will be embodied in U.S. domestic law, and on the premise that the agreement will reflect the important national actions of all major economies to contain their respective emissions. This agreement should encourage the most cost-effective reductions – including reductions from the use and management of forests – consistent with the dictates environmental integrity.
As part of an international agreement, the United States and other developed countries will need to join together to establish mechanisms ensuring a significant flow of funds to developing countries, especially the most vulnerable ones. Such funds will assist them both with adaptation to the harmful effects of climate change, some of which are already locked into the system, and with mitigation efforts designed to set their economies on a low-carbon course. Financing and technology will also need to be part of the package with regard to the major emerging economies, with flows linked to real actions that reduce emissions.
Financing will doubtless come from a variety of sources, including those generated by carbon markets; private sector funds, perhaps spurred by policy incentives; and official funds. Official funds themselves can come in a variety of forms. The Climate Investment Funds at the World Bank, for example, are a way to target a number of funding gaps in advance of a post-2012 agreement. These are funds that the administration supports and for which we will propose funding in FY 2010. But official resources alone cannot do the job.
The day is not here yet, but is probably not all that distant, when carbon will need to have a world-wide price, which would accomplish two things: reverse the incentive to cling to cheaper, high-carbon sources of energy; and create the opportunity for the kind of large financial flows needed. Gore won.
Fourth: we recognize that developing countries, including emerging markets like China and India, have entirely legitimate development needs and cannot be asked to forfeit the aspirations of their people to a better life and a higher standard of living. Even now, for example, nearly 35% of Chinese live on less than $2 a day. And India’s per capita income and emissions are a fraction of those in OECD countries. I wanted to comment on this one too. China the worlds second largest exporter, living under socialism for 3000 years has achieved $2/day for 35% of their population. If you think America would be different under their policies…..
At the same time, though, as Secretary Clinton made clear at the cogeneration plant we visited in Beijing 10 days ago, there is a different path available now and the industrializing countries of the earth need to take that path, for their own good, the good of their children, and the good of the entire global community. They do not need to follow the fossil fuel path that industrialized countries took, at a time when no one knew anything about global warming. Now we do know, and now there are alternative forms of energy available and more under development.
You know, as recently as 2002, India, with a billion people, had only 55 million telephones. But rather than insisting on getting the same kind of wired service that developed countries had, they simply leapfrogged straight to cell phones. Now, 350 million Indians have phones, and universal wired service is unnecessary. That’s what needs to happen now in the development of low-carbon energy. Developing countries need to leapfrog the fossil fuel stage as much as possible, while countries that have already built a fossil infrastructure will have to bend all efforts to phasing out that infrastructure.
Fifth: do the math. If we are going to be guided by science, then we must be willing to follow the numbers wherever they lead. And this is the story the numbers tell: even if the developed countries succeed in making draconian cuts in their emissions – 80% or more by 2050 – the major developing countries are still going to have to make extremely large reductions of their own to reach acceptable concentration levels within that time frame.
It is simply not tenable to pledge fidelity to an ambitious objective on the one hand, but dodge around the fact that emerging market countries have to take large-scale action soon. There may be all kinds of different ways to express or reflect that concept in an international agreement; there may be different time frames at which the requirement to act decisively kicks in; and the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities must be respected. But absent strong action at scale by the biggest emerging economies, we simply can’t get there from here.
As I said in China, this is not a matter of politics or morality, right or wrong. It is simply the unforgiving math of accumulating emissions.
Sixth: at the same time we are being guided by the science and doing the math, we cannot forget that we are engaged in a political process and that politics, in the classic formulation, is the art of the possible. Of course we cannot afford to be passive in our understanding of that principle – we need always to push the envelope of what is possible. But we ignore the principle at our peril.
Let me apply this principle in a couple of ways. Some assert that the United States can only meet its responsibility if it agrees to reduce emissions 25-40% below 1990 levels by 2020, equivalent to at least a 40% reduction below where we are right now (a much deeper cut than the EU would have to make compared to where they are now). But, first, as a matter of substance, this is not necessary. What counts is getting on a viable path between now and 2050. Reducing 25-40% below 1990 levels would be a good idea if it were doable, since it would allow a less steep reduction path in the 2020-2050 time period. But it is not independently necessary; a somewhat steeper path in the latter period could make up for the slightly slower start. The intent to drag America down as much as possible.
In addition, a 25-40% requirement for the United States would garner very little support here, because it would appear both unnecessary, for the reasons I just noted, and beyond the realm of the feasible. The most ambitious proposals that have been seriously considered here, both those introduced in Congress last year and the objective that President Obama has endorsed, call for reductions equivalent to 1990 levels by 2020 and 80% below 1990 levels by 2050. These would equate to around 15% below 2005 levels by 2020, and over 80% below those levels by 2050. So insisting on a 25-40% cut below 1990 for the United States is a prescription not for progress but for stalemate. Again, we need to be guided both by science and by common sense.
Or take China. I believe that China can do big and important things in changing the arc of its emissions path. It has already taken very significant steps and enormous additional strides can be made. At the same time, it serves no purpose to ignore the realities of China’s political economy – the need to create some 10 million new jobs a year just to keep up, and the absence at this time, of large-scale low-carbon alternatives to power its economic engine. The art of the possible cannot be ignored – but the range of what is possible must be constantly forced. The slack for our communist friends.
Seventh: those who react astutely and nimbly to the imperatives of the low-carbon transition will prosper, while those who seek to hold back the tides, or pretend that the tides aren’t even there, will look back in sorrow. The reason is clear enough: as the evidence of climate change grows increasingly dire, high-carbon goods and services will, before too many passing years, become untenable, replaced by the low-carbon alternatives of a new era. Indeed, this is starting to happen – look at the growing demand for hybrid cars.
Or think about long-lasting infrastructure, like power plants. It costs substantially more right now to build new coal facilities that are capable of capturing and storing CO2 than to build conventional high-carbon plants. But how good will the business judgment of companies or countries who make the high-carbon choice now look 5, 10 or 20 years from now, when it becomes clear that heavily polluting infrastructure is deadly and must be phased out long before the end of its useful life?
Countries that sink their treasure now into a dirty coal infrastructure or high-carbon production methods are not only jeopardizing the health of the planet, they are jeopardizing their own economic future. Think about the companies that bet on typewriters as the first personal computers rolled off the assembly lines. Or think of the auto companies who bet on SUVs as oil supplies started tightening and a world of carbon constraints started coming into view. Companies and countries have a choice now. Choosing the low-carbon path will take significant upfront investment and it will take a great deal of hard work. But it will put them on the right side of history.
Eighth: the private sector has to be a partner. Private investment and innovation is the key to resolving the climate crisis. A great deal can be done in bringing emissions down through the use of existing technologies, but powering the world on low-carbon energy will require new technological development and breakthroughs. Governments cannot bring the innovation, drive, creativity and resources to bear that the private sector can. But the private sector cannot complete the cycle from research to deployment and commercialization without the right kind of government incentives and support. We need to be in an active conversation with the private sector to understand what they need and how we can support each other.
Ninth: to promote agreement under the Framework Convention as well as to make rapid progress on actions to cut emissions, we need to invigorate a small group process in which leaders of the world’s major economies come together in a dialogue on energy and climate. That process began in 2007, but under the auspices of a U.S. Administration that opposed strong mandatory action to contain climate change. The small group process was right – it is essential to provide a venue outside the 190-nation Framework Convention process in which leaders can meet to discuss and advance these issues. But now we have to fill that process with content. This group should be a forum both to facilitate agreement at Copenhagen and to catalyze a wide-range of concrete, cooperative actions, joint ventures, sectoral agreements and the like, aimed at hastening the transformation to a low-carbon global economy.
Remember that while an agreement in Copenhagen agreement is vitally important, it will only be the start of our journey, not the end. It will provide a framework calling for ambitious actions. The actions will then need to be undertaken. And a small group process of the major economies will have an important role to play in following through.
Tenth: the countries of the world need to recognize the threat, pull our oars in the same direction, and do whatever it takes to succeed. Tired orthodoxies and endless reruns of north/south debates are not going to get us anywhere. We need a little less preaching about who is to blame and a little more of that old comic book sensibility of uniting in the face of a common danger threatening the earth. Because that’s what we have here. It’s not a meteor or a space invader, but the damage to our planet, to our community, to our children and their children will be just as great. There is no time to lose, so let us resolve to work together, guided by science, doing the math, appreciating the art of the possible, and at all times using our common sense for the common good.
Thank you.
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Ok, I’m mad enough to quit for tonight. You should be too.


Harold Vance said
Anthropogenic global warming is a *sect* of the religion known as environmentalism.
I could go on ad infinitum about indulgences (carbon offsets), original sin (carbon as root of all evil), censorship and orthodoxy (RC is a great example of both), etc., but another writer has already done it. This essay by John Brignell is a nice treatment of the topic:
Global Warming as Religion and not Science
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm
I would much rather live in a warm climate than a cold one, but that’s just me.
mitch said
Is America in charge of China’s policies? Or is China the good example of how policies should set up?
Hal said
You missed one, Jeff
“Indeed, this is starting to happen – RED***look at the growing demand for hybrid cars***RED.”
Business Week, March 3 2009:
The only problem is that hybrids cost a premium over non hybrids—in the case of Fusion, it’s about $3,200—at a time when gas is about $2.20 a gallon or less. Hybrid sales have cooled off since gas prices came down from highs last summer.
DJA said
I can’t help wondering if Todd Stern works for NERF, National Environment Resource Fund as in “State of Fear, Micheal Crichton”. It is fiction isn’t it?
Tim L said
Leon Brozyna (10:16:40) :
Holy guacamole! {See – I can make my expletives green}
So, to measure this against a recent post here on WUWT, the two Jeff’s {C & Id} are morally evil for criticizing the Steig et al paper. I mean, if criticizing a failed politician is so bad, how bad is it to criticize a politically correct scientific paper {never mind those minor technical errors; their hearts were in the right place, right?}?
Send out the thought police.
Tim L said
Tim L (22:00:41) : Your comment is awaiting moderation
Leif Svalgaard (18:02:09) :
Rob (16:22:02) :
Now you do not need an increasing heat source to achieve an increasing temperature, in this recent case just a high steady heat source will do and it.
If you shine light [heat] on an object its temperature will rise until it has such a value that the radiation from the object itself matches that from the source and the temperature will stay constant thereafter. Steady source = steady temperature.
Is the sun steady? or very slightly?
if slightly then what are the repercussions of even a small event? (For a length of time).
I think ( and no one cares what I think LOL) that this may be geo thermal linked, no proof, no evidence, just what I have seen in my pitiful 40 years, the ground is warmer. the air temp has not changed much, but the ground is warmer. had I known, I could have buried an outdoor temp. gauge 40 years ago and had proof.
Now prove CO2 has warmed the ground. second hand IR?
Geoff Sharp (14:43:35) :

You got to love these hockey sticks showing up every where!
Jeff C. said
Yes, it is alarmist claptrap, pretty much every sentence. Fortunately, we can throw the bums out, unlike in China.
Obama may believe every word of this non-sense, but he knows Americans will not stand for energy costs tripling, draconian restrictions on usage, and intermittant supplies all in the name of fighting some invisible bogeyman. Americans will put up with it for a good cause (e.g. getting to shoot Nazis in WW2) but not to make UN goofballs happy. He will lose Congress and then re-election if he pushes this hard. It is already happening in far more liberal Europe. Ken Livingstone lost as Mayor of London largely on his proposed congestion tax. Angela Merkel is backtracking on Germany’s commitments as too damaging to German industry.
Obama will follow the European model; genuflect at the altar of AGW, attempt to implement mild measures, then quickly retreat when the people get pissed. Take heart, I know it looks bad, but the great majority of Americans have zero desire to have their lifestyles and conveniences rolled back to those of the old days. We can, and will, throw them out if they go too far.
Tim L said
I have been considering 24/12VDC 60Amp wiring for my home.
12DC water pump for heat? 12DC water pump for potable water?
12V 25W,50W lighting? 12VDC radio? two 12VDC solar panels(RV type)?
two 12VDC battery maintainers (RV type)
It is no shit that some people are worried.
Oh well……………
Countdown until Obama leaves Office
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Tim L said
He is Conservative? OFF with his head!!!!
LMAO!
We try to laugh, getting harder….
I should take pictures of ten foot piles of snow in March,
200ft foot path just to get to cars………….
AAAANNNNNdDDDD next year may be worse?
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/app/WsvPageDsp.cfm?Lang=eng&lnid=37&ScndLvl=no&ID=11890
The little finger is where we live all ice in bay.
word press must have messed up the html code… oh well.
Dave Stephens said
Here, this quote from P. T. Barnum (musical) about sums it up for me….
__________________________________________________
There is a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though I feed ‘em bonafide baloney
With no truth in it
Why you can bet I’ll find some rube to buy my corn.
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And I’m referrin’ to the minute you were born.
Each blessed hour brings sixty of ‘em
Each time the wooden cuckoo shows his face
Another sucker takes his place,
And plunks his quarter on the line
To buy my brand of genuine malarky.
God bless and love ‘em!
But don’t feel sad or hoppin’ mad or cause a scene
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
But M’am you mighta been the minute in between.
There is a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though my tale is bonafide baloney,
Just let me spin it,
And ain’t no man who can resist me wait and see
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And friends the biggest one excluding none is me!
AEGeneral said
Obama has set up a network of cabinet politicians with a single item in common – global warming.
I thought you were going to say “tax evasion.”
China cannot, has not, will not do s*** to stop global warming.
It’s the 1970s all over again, isn’t it? We’ll sign treaties, fulfill our obligations, but the other side won’t. And no one will call them on it.
Only difference is reducing arms was a worthy goal. Reducing carbon is rooted in science fiction.
JAE said
Obama probably would not have been elected, if the news media had told the public who he really was. If you still subscribe to any left-leaning newspapers, magazines, etc., I suggest you drop your subscription, like many others have.
JAE said
This article is very relevant (whether it’s correct or not, I don’t know):
http://masterresource.org/?p=1217#more-1217
Matt Y. said
Well that just ruined my lunch….
That global warming is truly some bad-a$$ stuff. It can wreak havoc even when the temperature isn’t changing.
DeWitt Payne said
Hal said
March 5, 2009 at 5:15 am,
Hybrid sales are indeed off. However all car sales are off so the question becomes are hybrid sales as a percentage of all new car sales or new car sales of the same brand (Prius/Toyota, e.g.) off? I would be interested in the answer, but not interested enough to try to find it myself.
Hal said
I would be interested in the answer, but not interested enough to try to find it myself.
My sentiment exactly.
Good thing Stern and his compatriots will fail to implement their agenda, since the public’s attention is focused on near term survival in the face of this economy, which pushes the climate to a back burner.
Jim Owen said
Jeff C –
I’m far more paranoid than you – I have little faith in the existence of free elections 8 (and possibly 4) years from now. Not that that precludes “throwing the bums out” but it might be harder than anticipated.
Nor do I have any great faith in Obama backing off anything due to popular opinion. This article may come closer to the truth than either I or the author is comfortable with: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/03/022984.php
And for Tim L –
Please, PLEASE pray that the countdown is 4 years shorter – that it doesn’t take until 2013.
Dan Hughes said
Relative to actions required to reduce CO2 emissions by the USA, Professor Pielke Jr. has posted an interesting homework assignment here: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/doing-the-math-5032 .
The assignment is closely related to the Obama administration’s goal of reducing emissions to 15% below 2005 levels by 2020.
All innovative solutions are welcomed, I’m sure.
Thank you for taking time to consider making contributions to the approaches.
Dan
Rob said
The Chevrolet Volt, the peoples car at an affordable price of $35,000 not including the battery.
Dan Hughes said
Rob, I think local, state, and federal governments will kill the electric vehicle; they need the tax revenues from the fossil-fuels.
Of course the current MSRPing won’t help.
page48 said
Spooky Speech.
Welcome to the Proletariat, comrades!
Have a pleasant evening, everyone….if you can!
page48 said
Just saw this, “Is environmentalism a bigger threat to humanity than global warming?” Vaclav Klaus. Link:
http://www.klaus.cz/klaus2/asp/clanek.asp?id=mbjBqLuA8THt
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