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Fe ny – How China Saved the World

Posted by Jeff Id on December 19, 2009

You can read the pathetic accord here. and in PDF form here. It’s an obvious loss of all points.

I hope you don’t miss the Irony in this. Consider how it happened that communist style international wealth redistribution did not come to pass. Sure there is still voluntary payment to the communists “developing nations”, which is absolutely ignorant in the extreme because they produce nothing – including CO2. Sure there are emission targets, but they have no teeth and absolutely no possibility of coming to fruition – and in the PDF form they are completely left blank!! But the absolute irony of the situation is – we were saved from global communism by China.

The reason is clear (because they flat said it), the Chinese didn’t want to cut emissions to a point which hurt their economy. The Chinese fully intended to get us to sign away our manufacturing base, yet wanted nobody to limit their own output. I’m actually surprised Obama didn’t sign it in that configuration. Obama fully believes in Marxist style wealth redistribution after all, despite the fact that it’s never worked anywhere – ever – even a little.

I often joke with friends that the hardest spot on earth to find a true communist is in Eastern China. These are the people who know the difference. They’ve tried it both ways in the last 50 years, (property free communism and wealthy capitalism). One way they starve, the other they get money, products, cars, heat, food, service and light.

It seems now that the China central government had absolutely no intention of reducing emissions, and was intending to simply lie about it – a not uncommon tactic over there. They flat refused to have any kind of monitoring of their actual output, and simultaneously pushed very hard for fake limit structures that would not limit in any way, their own already shrinking economy.

They were wiser than us —- again. I hope the leftists in the Western world are paying attention to something other than Hollywood pornography, NYT or CNN. We were just taught a real life lesson in government by those who know the difference.

So now that we have this settled, let’s do the right thing and start drilling for cheap energy, start building nuke and coal plants. If you believe the disaster scenarios, which is one thing I’m a full scale denier on, we have no choice except to prepare for mitigation. There is no more purpose in attempting to install a fake global wealth redistribution thermostat, connected to nothing except a chosen few pockets. — oh.. well maybe still one purpose.

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Lord Monkton’s take:

From The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley in Copenhagen – Click here for SPPI original article.

The mountains shall labor, and what will be born? A stupid little mouse. Thanks to hundreds of thousands of US citizens who contacted their elected representatives to protest about the unelected, communistic world government with near-infinite powers of taxation, regulation and intervention that was proposed in early drafts of the Copenhagen Treaty, there is no Copenhagen Treaty. There is not even a Copenhagen Agreement. There is a “Copenhagen Accord”.

The White House spinmeisters spun, and their official press release proclaimed, with more than usual fatuity, that President Obama had “salvaged” a deal at Copenhagen in bilateral talks with China, India, Brazil, and South Africa, which had established a negotiating bloc.

The plainly-declared common position of these four developing nations had been the one beacon of clarity and common sense at the foggy fortnight of posturing and gibbering in the ghastly Copenhagen conference center.

This is what the Forthright Four asked for:

Point 1. No compulsory limits on carbon emissions.

Point 2. No emissions reductions at all unless the West paid for them.

Point 3. No international monitoring of any emissions reductions not paid for by the West.

Point 4. No use of “global warming” as an excuse to impose protectionist trade restrictions on countries that did not cut their carbon emissions.

After President Obama’s dramatic intervention to save the deal, this is what the Forthright Four got:

Point 1. No compulsory limits on carbon emissions.

Point 2. No emissions reductions at all unless the West paid for them.

Point 3. No international monitoring of any emissions reductions not paid for by the West.

Point 4. No use of “global warming” as an excuse to impose protectionist trade restrictions on countries that did not cut their carbon emissions.

Here, in a nutshell – for fortunately nothing larger is needed – are the main points of the ”Copenhagen Accord”:

Main points: In the Copenhagen Accord, which is operational immediately, the parties“underline that climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time”; emphasize their “strong political will to urgently combat climate change”; recognize “the scientific view that the increase in global temperature should be below 2 C°” and perhaps below 1.5 C°; aspire to “cooperate in achieving the peaking of global and national emissions as soon as possible”; acknowledge that eradicating poverty is the “overriding priority of developing countries”; and accept the need to help vulnerable countries – especially the least developed nations, small-island states, and Africa – to adapt to climate change.

Self-imposed emissions targets: All parties will set for themselves, and comply with, emissions targets for 2020, to be submitted to the secretariat by 31 January 2010. Where developing countries are paid to cut their emissions, their compliance will be monitored. Developed countries will financially support less-developed countries to prevent deforestation. Carbon trading may be used.

New bureaucracies and funding: Under the supervision of a “High-Level Panel”, developed countries will give up to $30 billion for 2010-12, aiming for $100 billion by 2020, in “scaled up, new and additional, predictable and adequate funding” to developing countries via a “Copenhagen Green Fund”. A “Technology Mechanism” will “accelerate technology development and transfer” to developing countries.

And that’s it. Expensive, yes. Unnecessary, yes. But earth-shaking? No.

The disconnect between the gaseous halations of various grandstanding “world leaders” about the supposedly urgent need to “Save The Planet Now” and the puny outcome of the Copenhagen Non-Event is dazzling. And it is welcome.

For all the rhetoric – or the flatulence that passes for rhetoric these days – it has begun to dawn on the “leaders” of those nations that subject them to regular recall and re-election that the people no longer believe the mad scientists are telling them the truth. And the people are right.

What is more, after the failure of the mainstream news media to report what the malevolent and unpleasant scientists involved in the Climategate affair had written to one another about those with whom they disagreed, or about what they had done to invent, fabricate, contrive, fiddle, tweak, alter, massage, conceal, hide or even destroy scientific data for the sake of protecting and peddling the pseudo-science in which environment correspondents had so readily and so ignorantly believed, the people no longer trust the media.

And that is bad news for a governing class that has come to develop a far-too-cosy relationship with the mainstream media. It is also very bad news for the mainstream media themselves, which are now rapidly losing circulation and ad revenue as the people rightly desert them for the Internet, where – notwithstanding various expensive attempts by the over-funded international Left to interfere with Google and Yahoo searches – the truth is still available if you know where to look.

Copenhagen was the last-chance saloon not for the planet, which does not need saving, but for the UN’s world-government wannabes. They blew it, big-time, by believing their own overspun propaganda about planetary peril and thinking they had “world leaders” where they wanted them. They overreached themselves, and have paid the price.

Even though next year is an el Nino year accompanied by fast-recovering solar activity, 2010 may not, after all, set a new global-temperature record to overtop that which was set in 1998, the year of the Great el Nino. By the time the next yackfest takes place in Mexico City in December 2010, the steam will have gone out of the “global warming” scare. We should not let our guard down, but Copenhagen is more than the end of the beginning for Green fascism: it is the beginning of the end. The eco-Nazis’ attempt at global bureaucratic coup d’etat has failed, and no such attempt is likely to succeed again. Too many of you are watching.


35 Responses to “Fe ny – How China Saved the World”

  1. telecorder said

    Was thinking yesterday (apparently a rare circumstance for our irstwhile AGW proponents…) —

    US jurisprudence requires unanimous agreement of the jury that the case is ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ before felony convictions – especially in a capital case with the Death Penalty.

    In the case of AGW/UNFCCC/COP15, that would mandate economic ruin and drastically lowered standards of living for the developed nations and slow/reverse the advancement in living standards of the devloping nations, only a ‘consensus’ of politically funded/connected ‘paleoclimatologists’ is needed…

    It shall be interesting to see how the EPA’s CAA GHG finding plays out in the coming years — will the Congress remove the EPA’s authority, will the EPA actually try to present the case for GHC harm is based on the science of IPCC in response to the myriad of lawsuits from both sides and/or will the ‘Cap & Trade’ legislation be passed?

    And will the COP15 accord tenets be rejected in light of the ‘revealed lack of science’ or will the wealth transfer funding/limits to growth still go forth?

    Sadly, it would appear that the mindset of the brainwashed masses and opportunistic politicos/rent-seeking agents are locked into the myoptic view of statism.

    A good read – http://american.com/archive/2009/april-2009/the-coming-of-the-fourth-american-republic/

  2. Ryan O said

    I don’t think any people living in the real world expected a different outcome. There was no way China would ever agree to substantial cuts. They were just hoping the rest of us would so they could consolidate industry even faster.

    Now let’s just hope that Congress doesn’t pull a health care bill with any climate change legislation . . .

  3. Ryan O said

    Oh . . . and where’s Oppenheimer for the big I-told-you-so?

    Haha!

  4. Peter said

    You’ve got to scratch your head at how it is possible to assemble this many people who will excoriate Canada for obtaining a fraction of it’s energy output from oil sands, which is used to keep us warm in this vast cold land, yet give Hugo Chavez a standing ovation, despite the fact that he obtains most of his energy output from oil sands, and uses some of this energy to fuel the bulldozers needed to dig and fill the mass graves which contain hundred’s of thousands of Venezuelans he has butchered.

  5. frankbi said

    I’m actually surprised Obama didn’t sign it in that configuration. Obama fully believes in Marxist style wealth redistribution after all, despite the fact that it’s never worked anywhere — ever — even a little.

    So you’re surprised at Obama’s actions because he doesn’t fit into your conspiracy theory on who Obama is, which further confirms your conspiracy theory or something?

    If you were more rational minded, perhaps you’ll be thinking ‘Geez, maybe Obama isn’t really a secret Marxist as I always thought he was’. What evidence will it take for you to abandon your dumb notion that Obama is a secret Marxist?

    bi

  6. j ferguson said

    Well Jeff,
    I read the accord you posted above.

    I don’t see the surrender of US sovereignty that Moncton told us Obama would sign at this event, or anyone else’s surrender of sovereignty for that matter.

    Clearly, Obama has to choose his fights. Suppose our fight is not quite ready as he sees it. Suppose he suspects that the A component in AGW has been wildly overplayed.

    So he defers any compelling resolution.

    What if he’d agreed with the Chinese to a fangless accord, one deferring any commitments? It looks like this is what happened.

    Besides, all the folks that we think have bought into the calamitous AGW mania seem to hate this meaningless accord.

    Could we realistically hope for more?

  7. Ryan O said

    I think Frank just posts in order to spread his link around. 😉

  8. Motorhead said

    @4, Peter, with all respect you don’t have to scratch your heads at all unless you’ve been listening to Leftist propaganda for years. Here’s all you need to know.

    1. The Left, which includes Liberals, Socialists, Marxists, Communists, and Environmentalists lie about EVERYTHING. Never, ever, EVER believe them.

    2. The goal of the Left (above) is world domination – mostly by rigging or damaging nations’s economies to pave the way for their takeover/subjugation to larger economic powers run by Leftist governments.

    3. The Left uses two main tactics to take power:
    a) Incremental totalitarianism – example – a small tax here, a little more regulation there. But keep adding another and another over 20 years and suddenly you’ve got major taxes and regulation problems.
    b) Never let a good crisis go to waste – example: global warming is a CRISIS that must be STOPPED NOW! Only by making drastic changes to your lifestyle, paying taxes and fees, and staying scared can this crisis be stopped.

    4. There is no global warming. The whole thing was a money driven lie. The evidence is now out for everyone to see in thousands of leaked documents, emails and the source code.

    5. Follow the money. Example: The current climate change/global warming crisis can only REALLY be solved through the use of a new market to trade carbon credits. Who gets rich from this? Not you or me, but the very people who demand we give up our liberties and pay more taxes and fees to solve this CRISIS. (Al Gore stands to make hundreds of millions of dollars in this scheme).

    6. If you’re ever unsure if you’re being lied to, see if the person telling you to do ‘X’ or pay more to ‘X’ is doing so himself. Almost always it’s ‘do as I say not as I do’ – example: Thousands of ‘environmentalists’ fly on private jets all over the world for various reasons but don’t want us to fly at all. Or, look at the rank, stinking hypocrisy of Copenhagen. Talk about a waste of resources.

  9. Arn Riewe said

    I agree the Chinese were not willing to sacrifice their economy or sovereignty. It’s unfortunate that U.S./U.K. political leadership has no such reservation.

    Here’s a question though: where does that leave Kyoto and the E.U.? The E.U. strategy had to be built around bringing the rest of the world onto new, tougher treaty requirements. Now there holding the bag and the ROW flies off. Based on the last 24 hours, I can’t imagine the carbon trading market won’t disintegrate. The EU members will be hard pressed to maintain emissions agreements while the ROW has none. Europe may be the stake through the heart of the AGW vampire(with all its geographic irony)over the next 12 months.

  10. bob said

    Obama is not secretly Marxist.

    He strives to: control energy price and production; control health care; control auto companies and unions; re-distrubute wealth; tax the rich; blame the banks for any economic woes; and encourage citizens to report those who oppose his programs.

    Obama is overtly a Marxist.

  11. Antonio San said

    China was not about to let the US or anyone else make this world government accord hamper their development. As the bankers of the US, they did not like the idea of Geithner printing billions of dollars to bribe the third world and devaluate the value of the US debt they hold.

    The whole thing is clear: the US and EU will lead at one point a crusade against polluters i.e. China and India. They need to bribe the poor nations to get canon fodder but in the end the preventive war that has been blessed by the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize will be waged to try countering the rise of China and India. Now that Copenhagen is dead. What trigger will the West use to play their game? Watch out for incidents that will escalate the tension in the next few months…

    Read Serge Galam as this guys gets it!

  12. Adam Gallon said

    China will just lean quietly on the smaller nations by pointing out who supplies them with most of their armaments.
    The main problem with socialism, is that sooner or later, it runs out of other people’s mony!

  13. Peter said

    Yes, i suppose one could be forgiven to think China saved the day. Now that there is no treaty can we now focus on the real problems of the world? These include starving millions, the economy, hospitals, transport, and oh probably the biggest problem of out time: global cooling? Yes, that’s right. From what I’ve seen so far over the last 10 years there’s been a definite decline in world temperatures. Recently the declines have been becoming more dramatic. It’s obvious to see from the record and near record breaking snow and low temperatures being reported in various countries right now. Also the Antarctic is showing near record if not record breaking snow/ice extents. Give it a couple of more years and if the trend continues the world will be panicking about the coming ice-age as they did a few decades ago. So much for the predictions of catastrophic global warming. These are now debunked even by their own observational data. The IPCC computer models are now so far out of alignment with reality they must now be rejected totally by every climate scientist or risk being labelled as a fool.

  14. Peter said

    When I said every climate scientist should now reject the IPCC models and their associated predictions, I meant to say they should openly state they are wrong. The message must be made clear to the leaders of the world so that Obama, Rudd, etc. all are told that the man-made global warming catastrophe has now scientifically been proven to be invalid. There is now no scientific evidence to support such a catastrophe. Perhaps there is but at this time there is none. But of course we all know why the leaders may ignore such a message from the all the climate scientists but first things first. It’s now up to the climate scientists to state this is the current situation. There is no other way of looking at this unless one is on the other side of the truth.

  15. AJStrata said

    The accord is as fictional as AGW is itself. Here are my top reasons AGW is science fiction and not science for anyone not shoveling snow today:

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11932

    Cheers

  16. vsaluki said

    “Even though next year is an el Nino year accompanied by fast-recovering solar activity, 2010 may not, after all, set a new global-temperature record to overtop that which was set in 1998, the year of the Great el Nino.”

    It looks like the average El Nino is about a year long. But they can commonly range from 4 to 20 months. In any case, we will have had 8 months of El Nino already in 09. I’m guessing that 2010 will only have El Nino for 3 or 4 month. If you look at the 97-98 El Nino it ramped up very high ver quickly. By comparison the 09 – 10 El Nino seems to be lethargic. And while solar activity is ramping up, it is doing so very slowly. I don’t see 2010 as a record year. Possible but unlikely.

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml

  17. denise said

    Peter , are you implying that the global cooling of the 1970’s might have been correct?

  18. Retired Engineer said

    Obama had to sign something so he could take credit for saving the world. The massive world control originally proposed wouldn’t fly with India or China, so he took what he could get.

    We will eventually get single payer health care, but as our peerless leader pointed out, it may take some time. ‘Climate control’? The EPA will shoot our economy in the foot since Copenhagen won’t.

    The Left never gives up.

  19. Mark T said

    Communism is patient.

    Mark

  20. Mark T said

    Oh, and Frank, I suggest you look up the definition of the word “conspiracy.” Believing Obama to be a Marxist does not require any conspiracy, just the intelligence to actually pay attention to what he says, and has said, not what is believed he says, or has said.

    Mark

  21. boballab said

    @17

    Well I don’t know about Peter but if you look at the 1940 to 70 time period that can be described as just a fluctation not the start of an Ice Age. However with that said we have been heading for a n Ice Age basically since we got out of the last one as seen by the Vostok Ice Core Data:

    You see it’s just like life, technically you started dying from the minute you were conceived and looking at just a short time frame in between those two points is cherry picking the record imho

  22. […] climate talkfest ends in a lot of hot air communist style international wealth redistribution did not come to pass. Copenwithfailure UN says ‘we have the red button to control the earths temperature now pay us […]

  23. Peter said

    I don’t understand why the reluctance to believe Obama is a left leaning idealist. His mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. White House Council on Environmental Quality Anthony Jones openly admits he’s a communist. he was appointed by Obama. So, I’m not really surprised he’s left leaning. What’s the problem though? I don’t mind as long as people understand all this and more next time they vote. After all, it’s a democracy.

  24. Squidly said

    We now just have to ensure that Cap’N Tax doesn’t go anywhere. We MUST stop Cap’N Tax. Let the EPA have it, they won’t be able to enforce it. The legal docket for the EPA is already quickly filling. Let it fill. There is no way the EPA can enforce something unenforceable.

  25. SamG said

    Indeed, how ironic it is. But maybe in a way not. China likes its surging economy and leftists in the west are extremely materialistic, despite projecting themselves as evolved, elitist and somehow environmentally “connected”. And this is precisely the point. Socialism is an ideology, not a robust political system. Those in the west who endorse its principles, do so in the privileges and freedoms of a democratic society.(now that’s irony!) China, with its deplorable track record on human rights, is the reality of the far left. Poverty for all but the few aristocracy who preach but do not live by their ideals. It is, as always proven to be, a forum for the disenchanted, the antagonistic and those simply filled with hate.

  26. […] Air Vent tells us that China saved the world, which is true, but China saved the world because of what bloggers […]

  27. yonason said

    Better have a listen to what Lord Monkton says here, before we feel any relief that anyone “saved” anything.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22Lord+Monckton+breaks+down+Copenhagen%22&search_type=&aq=f
    (top of page, 4 parts of “Lord Monckton breaks down Copenhagen”)

    It’s not good.

  28. yonason said

    UPDATE

    I don’t like the sound of this.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8423097.stm

  29. Craigo said

    I believe we have to thank China for saving the moralising and deluded western nations but for their own self serving reasons. If all your money was in some US bank, wouldn’t you be worried about the US economy? You wouldn’t want to have had your pension in one of Mugabe’s banks now would you?

    Oooops, actually I did have my pension money in one of Mugabe’s banks and from Z$1 million it grew to $67 million in just two years but have no idea what it is now because the cost of posting a statement would probably drain all the remaining funds. Inflation does that. And China knows it needs America to be strong economically and playing it’s part as a consumer in the world.

    For now anyway.

  30. yonason said

    Craigo said — December 20, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    “China knows it needs America to be strong economically and playing it’s part as a consumer in the world.

    For now anyway.”

    Yes, and I don’t see them being any too willing to submit to UN domination. Talk about too big to fail. I never thought I would see China as a counterweight to a fascist West and lunatic Islamists. What a difference a generation makes.

  31. BillT said

    Obama fully believes in Marxist style wealth redistribution after all, despite the fact that it’s never worked anywhere – ever – even a little.

    Lefties won’t accept that Marxism is a flawed system — they believe the only reason it hasn’t worked is because no one with a sufficiently towering intellect has been put in charge of *making* it work. Meaning, themselves.

    It’s a narcissist thang…

  32. China saved the world, as part of it’s long term game plan…. there is a reason they are the silent super power!

  33. yonason said

    Blair Geddes — anuary 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “China saved the world, as part of it’s long term game plan…. there is a reason they are the silent super power!”

    Why is it I heard the theme music from Jaws when I read that?

  34. Civilized Subterranean said

    [snip] too crazy even for the air vent

  35. […] today, but in a strange change of circumstance, China, the regionally capitalist country which saved us all from Copenhagen, the same country which is building a coal plant every two weeks, is now calling […]

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