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Prognostication

Posted by Jeff Id on February 17, 2010

You had better pay attention people. We must not question the authority of the progressive movement, throughout history their goals have never once been non-violently achieved. They claim pacifism but it is as much of a lie as the consensus on global warming is.

Grant Tamino Foster knows he is smarter than you, he really does, even though he’s never met you.  He knows how you should best live, he will tell you what to eat, wear, drive, and what to believe, and he has no shame in doing whatever it takes to get his way. Fortunately, I have no shame in calling out evil people like this, as they work to from destroy freedom on earth in exchange for their enlightened rule.

Tamino on Real Climate-

Denialists have failed to learn the lessons of history.

What they’re doing to global warming is no different from what they did to tobacco — even some of the cast of characters is the same. It worked for a while, but how do tobacco companies fare today? Joe sixpack is not just willing, but eager to approve record-setting punitive legal settlements against them. Their advocates, like Seitz and Singer, escaped public wrath because of their relative obscurity. No more; Monckton and his cadre will suffer mightily at the hands of a very fickle and very angry public.

When global warming becomes so obvious that Joe sixpack can no longer deny it — which will happen before this decade is out — the backlash will be ugly. I hope it doesn’t reach the heights of abusiveness that struck the nobility class after the French revolution — but I wouldn’t bet on it. Even pacifists like myself will probably be unable to stem the thirst for revenge.

My advice to Monckton: prepare to flee the pitchfork-and-torch-carrying mob.

Comment by tamino — 17 February 2010 @ 8:40 AM

Progressives in my experience often (yet not always) live tiny sheltered (government funded) lives and have no understanding of what makes America work.  They don’t often run businesses and they have little to worry about financially.  Unfortunately, they are always fools.

h/t windansea


85 Responses to “Prognostication”

  1. Ruhroh said

    Oh Jeff;

    I had no idea you were against Progrefs.

    Ya gotta give them credit, they definitely won the self-appellation contest.

    It is possible to win a fight in a propagandist’s war without stooping to subliminal tactics such as naming one’s group ~’Virtuous’ and thus opponents as anti-virtue?

    RR

  2. Gary said

    The one thing that progressives are very skilled at is psychological projection. The rarely miss an opportunity to ascribe their own flaws to opponents. You see it in Tamino: he’s bragging about being a pacifist but putting on a thinly-veiled facade of being concerned about mob-revenge. Were he really concerned, we might see peace-making language rather than psuedo-warnings. It’s fascinating to watch behavior about which they seem to have no clue.

  3. windansea said

    Grant suffers from reverse projection syndrome

    If anyone is about to get chased by a pitchfork wielding mob it’s alarmists like him

    Open Mind…..unless of course you disagree

  4. Dr. Robert said

    The stronger the evidence against catastrophic global warming, the meaner the proponents get.

  5. Raven said

    They really love to flog that tobacco angle.

    Tamino can’t seem to figure out that tobacco lawsuits did not put the jobs of millions of people at risk.
    Nor did the tobacco lawsuits threaten the standard of living of 300 million americans by increasing energy bills.
    He also does not recognize that, unlike climate science, there was actually real experimental evidence linking tobacco to cancer.
    Finally, he does not seem to notice that despite the lawsuits and the laws tabocco is still freely available at basically the same price it was before.

  6. This just in. The glaciers melted last night. ALL the glaciers. I knew it was going to happen. Oh, wait a minute. Something more coming in over the wire. It happened in another universe. Oh.

  7. Kenneth Fritsch said

    He relates a nut job jibe about what the mob will do and then in a feeble attempt to give himself deniability of a threat extends the threat.

    Even pacifists like myself will probably be unable to stem the thirst for revenge.

    People like that are better ignored as they willingly give witness that they add nothing reasonable to the discussion.

  8. Fred said

    Tamino et al are typical eco-grifters, rent-seeking promoters of the global warming hysteria, while all the time what they really care about is keeping their taxpayer funded gravy train rolling along.

    If anyone should be watching out for the pitchforks, it is Tamino and the rest of his ilk who have been promoting this scam/ponzi scheme to the great detriment of the planet.

  9. MikeO said

    In the 60s here in Australia the communist party always cited those it approved of as being progressive. I tried to find the original comment by Tamino looked on “Open Mind” (now there’s an Orwellian phrase for you) and “real climate” (there’s another) could not find it. Have they pulled it? Did find Growthgate by Tamino. I wonder if he also claims a child who is 5 feet by 10 will 10 feet by 20 and 15 feet by 30? After all there is a correlation between age and height. We are all doomed I tell you doomed.

  10. dfbaskwill said

    They just came out with the new DSM classifications. I’m sure he fits in there somewhere among the politically-correct sounding syndromes.

  11. MikeN said

    When they made the judgments against tobacco companies, the government bailed them out and gave them a monopoly.

  12. scp said

    They claim passifism but it is as much of a lie as the consensus on global warming is.

    Anyone who would use the force of law to regulate the behavior of others cannot legitimately call himself a pacifist. Government mandate is nothing more and nothing less than threatening violence and captivity against a person in order to assert one’s will above theirs.

    To my way of thinking, someone who threatens when he can’t persuade is a thug.

  13. Dan Hughes said

    Isn’t pacifism very much like those religious sects that prohibit sexual intercourse between men and women? History has proven an uncountable number of times that if there were no non-pacifists, pacifism would disappear.

  14. Some Random Guy said

    It’s “pacifism”.

    [reply: thanks my not spell good]

  15. pete m said

    Jeff – Tom P replied to your comment on Antartic extent at the WUWT thread. I’d be interested in your response.

  16. windansea said

    comment 91

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/whatevergate/comment-page-2/#comments

  17. FTM said

    A self-described pacifist usually has war close to his heart.

  18. harrywr2 said

    http://www.investorplace.com/experts/bryan_perry/articles/tobacco-stocks-rai-stock.html

    “Despite all the antismoking legislation and tax burden heaped upon the tobacco industry, the one factory cooking 24/7 is that of R.J. Reynolds — now called by its kinder and gentler name, Reynolds American (RAI). So, just how coveted is the tobacco business? Well, insiders own 42% of RAI stock. Why? Because quarterly year-over-year earnings are up 71% while top-line revenues are down by 5%.”

    Tamino really lives in a sheltered world…if the AGW crowd is going to do for Big Oil and Big Coal what the smoking police did to tobacco…I need to buy some stocks.

    Someone please punish me by giving me a 71% raise!!!!

  19. Craigo said

    Tammy should becareful. The ruling nobility were the first to go. I don’t see any big oil funded evil flat earth deniers anywhere among the ruling nobility.

    And even if “Joe Sixpack” did get aroused, when he has to get his solar recharged culy whirly cfl lamp out due to laws against flaming torches, he will know at some deep level that those who would separate men and fire are the true opressors.

  20. Christopher K said

    I’d say passive agressive.

    Tell him to go look at the stages of cognative dissonance. He might be able to figure out which one he’s in.

  21. snake said

    Tamino claims to be a pacifist. Most left oriented people claim to be pacifist, and they will behave likewise as long as you do as they want you to. If you choose to behave differently, they no longer seem to be so pacifistic. These self proclaimed pacifists all turn into fascists against all people who do not share their views. Tamino is not shure he can stem the violence. Because he knows he will be participating in it.

  22. Chris Wood said

    Who is this looney? People who talk like this have, in my opinion gone over the edge.

  23. Ausie Dan said

    Well, Big Brother is alive in Wyong, an outer northern suburb or extension of Sydney, Australia.

    The local council passed a by-law prohibiting building houses on land less than a metre above the current water line (per renounded IPCC 100 year projections).

    Well, the council later thought better of it and recinded the by-law.

    But that did not stop their public servants, who are continuing to apply the now defunct by-law in defiance of the council.

    Is Peter from Sydnet reading this?
    This is a clear case where the developer could legitimately take these very small mandarins to court and sue for damages.

    The last time I looked, the sea around here abouts has been rising very steadily (thats a linear rise for and statisticians reading this) for the last 90 years or so. The rate is about 20 centementres per 100 years.
    The latest figures show no indication of any upward acceleration in the trend.

    Perhaps I’m wrong.
    I’ll just hang around here for the next 100 years to see how this pans out.
    (after all, I’m only 74).

    But mandarins know best, I guess.

  24. timetochooseagain said

    Tamino is defaming the late Seitz. He is probably ignorant of Seitz actual beliefs but to spew hate about him from a position of ignorance is outrageous. Especially about a founder of condensed matter physics. He believed that active smoking caused cancer his entire life, and frankly god knows all the great things that came out of Rockefeller University in terms of 45 million dollars in medical research. Second hand smoke is a separate and then at least an extremely questionable issue.

  25. Jimchip said

    Joe Sixpack is going to be really mad when he finds out that he has to drink flat beer because the former, natural, carbonation is considered to be a pollutant.

  26. Steve Fitzpatrick said

    Hi Jeff,

    You need to keep a backup of Tamino’s comment, so that when the end of the decade arrives and the pitchforks are not yet out, you can post the text at Real Climate and point out what idiotic nonsense they allow their friends to post. What do think chances are that a similar comment about the fate of AGW activists would get posted at Real Climate?

  27. David S said

    Steve
    They will be long gone by the end of the decade. The wheels are coming off – I give them five years max, or three if the US MSM gets a grip on things in the next few months like the UK papers have.

  28. Charly said

    Sorry for asking but what is your definition of progressives. I live in LatAm and here progressives refer to how what are in fact troglodyte governments and political movements (neo-fascists or neo-bolsheviks) call themselves.

  29. DG said

    Time for some humor to lighten things up a bit.


    🙂

  30. Mark T said

    Charly said
    February 17, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Sorry for asking but what is your definition of progressives.

    “Progressives” in the US are almost what could be described as the opposite of “conservatives.” They are those that are pushing for massive modernization and change in the US (and world) in terms of socio-politico-economic policies. They are often called “liberal,” which is really an affront to classic economic liberalism (capitalism), or better yet, leftist (though even leftist really doesn’t fit quite right).

    Mark

  31. stumpy said

    It reminds me of those denialsts that spoke out against religous dogma such as darwin and thomas huxley, they sure got it from the public and of course are now remembered as monsters for questioning the “concensus”. Tamino needs to live in the real world for a minute!

    Anymore of this cold snowy weather caused by AGW and the public will certaintly lash out, but not as “denialists” , it will be at Tamino. Public belief is already falling fast!

    You can not claim in 2000 that snow will be a thing of the past due to AGW, then 10 years later when it snows heavily claim it is evidence of AGW! The public are not that naive!

  32. JAE said

    I wonder just how much of Tamino’s retirement funding depends on tobacco stock. And oil stock. And utility stock. And coal companies. And… I have never met a “progressive” who had even a clue about how our economic system works. Especially the folks running the Administration in DC!

  33. Philemon said

    Progressives: Prohibition. They didn’t seem pacifist about that one. That was how the FBI got started.

  34. Charly said

    #30, thanks Mark T. Down here our definition is really to the left of that. On the other hand someone like Tamino after the comment he made strike me as more of a “watermelon” than a “progressive”.

  35. DG said

    Obama is the genuine article as a definition of “Progressive”.

    The Communist Party USA thinks he’s just peachy. Get the idea?

  36. Tom Fuller said

    Well, I’m a progressive. I’m not a pacifist. I even believe in limited global warming. And Tamino steals the name progressive and then dirties it. I’m proud to be a liberal–I’m proud of what we have given this country. I’m ashamed that Tamino takes the label. I’m not changing my views or how I label myself. But I’m damned if I will let Tamino off the hook for this garbage.

  37. Jeff Id said

    #36, Tammie has done worse than this over the years. This is the latest. Grant Foster is a coauthor on some papers with other team members BTW. He’s right in the middle of the crowd.

  38. Jeff Id said

    #36 I find it hard to believe that your personal view of ‘progressive’ would fit the Marxist mold of what the movement has become. It’s like what the term liberal has turned into. Liberal is not the same as what it used to be.

  39. Alan Wilkinson said

    The irony of these AGW ranters is that their venom is so counter-productive to their desires. Like Monty Python’s Black Knight and Fawlty Towers’ Basil their impotent rages and venting merely make their situation worse.

  40. Jeff C. said

    #39

    “Like Monty Python’s Black Knight and Fawlty Towers’ Basil their impotent rages and venting merely make their situation worse.”

    Ah yes, but it feels good, doesn’t it? In my experience, most progressives are ruled by their emotions and don’t think through the consequences of their actions. They sneer at the masses for their backward thinking and wealth of bowling trophies, completely oblivious to the fact that they need the support of the people to implement their radical agenda. It’s the progressives Achilles heal, we ought to thank our lucky stars for it.

  41. Tom Fuller said

    Jeff, you’re probably right. But what a tragedy that such a beautiful and elegant framework for looking at the world can get hijacked and polluted by people like Tamino.

  42. JAE said

    What really bugs me is that the majority of the “progressives” are the poor, ignorant, downtrodden, welfare recipients in this country who really think that they are to be cared for by gov’ment. I really have a hard time believing that they (or their leaders) are the “intelligencia” of the country. Quite the contrary, actually. Socialists are the dregs of society.

  43. Jeff Id said

    Conservatives have moved on to libertarian for the same reasons.

  44. George said

    So-called Progressives are generally about the government running everything. Their goal is a type of government that our founding fathers wanted to try to ensure could never happen here. They attribute power to the federal government that it does not have. The federal government has no power to impose mandatory health care on the people. In fact, the federal government has no power except those explicitly given to it in the constitution. The state governments, on the other hand, do have the power to do these thing.

    People do not understand how our constitution works. It is specifically designed to limit the power of the federal government and make the state governments the primary powers in the country.

    Federal government has no powers other than those specifically granted in the constitution.
    State governments have all powers except those specifically denied in the constitution.
    The people have all rights and powers except those specifically denied.

    The worst mistake this country made was changing the Senate to popular election. The Senate is house of government that is supposed to represent the interests of the state governments. Changing it to popular election took away the states check on federal power. This was the work of the “Progressives” of the 1900s.

    Progressives are all about a more powerful central authority with less liberty for the states and individuals. They are basically tyrants.

  45. Mark T said

    JAE said
    February 17, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    What really bugs me is that the majority of the “progressives” are the poor, ignorant, downtrodden, welfare recipients in this country who really think that they are to be cared for by gov’ment.

    I don’t think this is true at all. Many, if not most, of the poor, ignorant, downtrodden, welfare recipient types would rather earn their way then live off the government dole, let alone force others to do the same.

    Mark

  46. Mark T said

    Jeff Id said
    February 17, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Conservatives have moved on to libertarian for the same reasons.

    The problem with the term “conservative” is that it often connotates a religious (Christian in particular) preference since it is associated with “right wing.” I’m not saying that the connotation is correct, just that it exists, which may explain why many former “conservatives” now identify with “libertarian.”

    Personally, I consider myself “marktian,” because I generally don’t agree with any ideology.😉

    Mark

  47. JAE said

    Mark T:

    “I don’t think this is true at all. Many, if not most, of the poor, ignorant, downtrodden, welfare recipient types would rather earn their way then live off the government dole, let alone force others to do the same.”

    ?? Do you REALLY think that virtually ALL of those folks on welfare don’t vote for their own benefit, which happens to support a Socialist society (oh, excuse me, I meant “progressive society”). Look at the voting statistics. Just WHO do you think comprises that 30 percent of “liberal” supporters? I now wonder if you are of this planet.

  48. timetochooseagain said

    Progressivism is the belief that the government can perfect society by fiat.

    All we do is join the gods in raucous laughter.

    I consider myself Conservative or even Traditionalist/Anarchist. The latter is such a bizarre combo that I could go on at length about it. But I consider only three things as mattering:

    Life, Liberty, and Property (or pursuit of happiness if you prefer the Jeffersonian spin). Very Lockean/Jeffersonian.

    I don’t consider myself a “religious right” person, but I also am disgusted by the modern culture which liberals celebrate-not because it’s “ungodly” but because I find it obscene. Sure I’m young but I’m still a curmudgeon. I also admit to believing in one progressive idea: spreading democracy. This is “progressive” because even though it was Bush’s thing, Woodrow Wilson most famously articulated the idea.

  49. JAE said

    OK, Jeff, just trash this, if you like, but I’m gonna speak my mind for a minute, just for the hell of it:

    The most important philosophical defect of “liberals,” “progressives,” “communists,” “socialists” (take your pick) is that they have absolutely no standard for what is right and what is wrong. It’s all “relative,” to the belief of the day. Abortion is OK, even live-birth abortion, despite the FACT that that is MURDER. Same with euthanasia (sp?). Conventional religions are despised and scorned. The replacement for standard religious beliefs is “creature love,” Gaia, Environmentalism, Global Warming, or etc. People that commit horrible crimes are just “victims.” Nobody is to blame for anything, because they had bad toilet training as a kid, or something. EVEN THE FRIGGING TERRORISTS, IT SEEMS! In short these poor confused lost souls are completely devoid of the concept of morality, despite what they might tell you. Thus they are subject to the PC fad of the moment, even if it means killing people for the “cause.” THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM IS THAT THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS for these folks. And that is exactly why they are much closer to Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, etc. than the conservatives.

    Because there is no standard for right or wrong, they are angry, unloving, hypocritical, insulting people that simply CANNOT engage in a calm factual discussion. They have no real reason for being, except, I guess, to entertain themselves while they live.

  50. Raven said

    Jae,

    There are a lot of libertarians who agree with conservatives on economics but progressives on abortion or assisted suicide because they see those issues as a matter of individual’s right to control their own body.

  51. Jeff Id said

    #50 That’s where I sit. Abortion, isn’t something to approve of but it isn’t for me to make the call. The live birth stuff has to go though. It’s evil but there is so much evil on this rock and the majority of it is created by government.

  52. timetochooseagain said

    I happen to believe the unborn are individuals with rights to their own bodies.

    Do I know people strongly disagree with that? Absolutely.

  53. JAE said

    BTW: Here’s the kind of thing that happens when “environmentalism” rules: more deaths than ALL of Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/DDTworstcrime.pdf

    And there are really people that believe that environmentalist care about people???????

  54. Jeff Id said

    We probably need to leave the abortion thing for a different blog. Anyway, this has been an active thread for its six hours of life. My opinion is that you all can have yours and it’s not my job to change them.

  55. Raven said

    #51 Late term abortions happen so rarely that they are not worth worrying about. I would rather live with them than accept the state intrusion on an individual’s choice.
    A similar issue exists with guns. i.e. many kids do die from gun accidents in the home but is that a reason to ban guns from homes?
    Being free means accepting the consequences of being free: good and bad.

  56. Raven said

    #54 – I think it is important for people who care about the climate/economic issues need to recognize that they need to ally themselves with people who disagree with them on other issues like abortion in order to ensure that the tamino’s of world do not win the political fight.

  57. denise said

    I can not express myself as well as many of you, but I have to comment on the abortion discussion going on here.

    I had an abortion when I was eighteen years old, it had just become legal. I just had a set of twins five months before, who were not doing well, and were still hospitalized. I found out I was pregnant again and did not want to tell my parents, I was ashamed, something that is lacking in our young these days.

    My boyfriend and I scraped up the $200.00 and I had an appointment for the next day. I remember filling out the paper work and being lead into examining room. I was placed on a table and the doctor entered. A vacuum was turned on and a large jar was sitting on a small table slightly behind the doctor. I was thirteen weeks pregnant, afraid and in pain when I left that room. Ill never for the rest of my life forget the sights or sounds of the day I took a human life.

    I have never been the same. And that is the truth. I am 54 .

  58. wow, sounds like a threat from Mr. Foster.

  59. denise said

    Sorry Period after thirteen weeks pregnant. Afraid……

  60. denise said

    I can not express myself as well as many of you, but I have to comment on the abortion discussion going on here.

    I had an abortion when I was eighteen years old, it had just become legal. I just had a set of twins five months before, who were not doing well, and were still hospitalized. I found out I was pregnant again and did not want to tell my parents, I was ashamed, something that is lacking in our young these days.

    My boyfriend and I scraped up the $200.00 and I had an appointment for the next day. I remember filling out the paper work and being lead into examining room. I was placed on a table and the doctor entered. A vacuum was turned on and a large jar was sitting on a small table slightly behind the doctor. I was thirteen weeks pregnant. Afraid and in pain when I left that room, Ill never for the rest of my life forget the sights or sounds of the day I took a human life.

    I have never been the same. And that is the truth. I am 54 .

  61. Tom T said

    Well this is good news. The more these people claim that we have only a decade, the better. It can be disproved in our life time, not so predictions for 100 years. Joe six pack was more than willing to believe them, but they just had to keep on lying and then well it hasn’t warmed in 15 years.

  62. Mark T said

    JAE said
    February 17, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    ?? Do you REALLY think that virtually ALL of those folks on welfare don’t vote for their own benefit, which happens to support a Socialist society (oh, excuse me, I meant “progressive society”).

    Don’t put words in my mouth, I did not say “virtually ALL,” not even close. I said many, if not most.

    Look at the voting statistics. Just WHO do you think comprises that 30 percent of “liberal” supporters? I now wonder if you are of this planet.

    I am of this planet. I also happen to know, and regularly associate, many people that would fall on your list. A bigger bunch of patriots that don’t whine about the hand they’ve been dealt (some even, highly educated but still poor due to circumstance) I’ve never met. These people abhore what the US has become.

    I would do some checking on your statistics, too: if only 30% of liberal supporters come from this group, and only 10-20% of the population are really “liberal,” what percentage do these people actually comprise? I’ll give you a hint, there are more of them that favor small government than not.

    Many do vote for their benefit from the government, but don’t lump them all together as if being poor means you want a handout. You disgrace those that are trying hard to take down the barriers the government keeps putting in place to keep them where they are.

    Mark

  63. here is his latest spin

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/cherry-snow/#more-2308

    july winter snow cover????? REALY?????????

  64. DeWitt Payne said

    Re: Raven (Feb 17 16:04),

    tabocco is still freely available at basically the same price it was before.

    That depends on your definition of basically. For example, this reference says that the inflation adjusted price of cigarettes went up 56% from 1994 to 2004.

  65. Espen said

    Jeff, this might be OT, but it’s related: if you some day have time to read some heavy philosophical stuff, I wholeheartedly recommend The Rebel by Albert Camus. Existentialist author Camus was a rebel, and you may say “a progressive” himself, but he shocked the intellectuals of Paris with this work. In the fifties, when these intellectuals were almost exclusively communists, Camus dared to trace the common origins of communism and nazism, how they both degenerated to what he calls “nihilism” (not to be confused with the specific russian meaning of the word) and showed how a rebel with a good cause can turn into a executioner. Sadly, the student rebels of 1968 ignored what Camus had written more than a decade earlier…
    I see traces of Camus’ nihilism in parts of the green movement today, especially when they start talking about population control.

  66. J. Peden said

    Tom Fuller said
    February 17, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Jeff, you’re probably right. But what a tragedy that such a beautiful and elegant framework for looking at the world can get hijacked and polluted by people like Tamino.

    Tom, perhaps you could call yourself a “Classical Liberal”? That’s what I did when I realized that Liberals were no longer being and doing what I had understood Liberalism to mean and seemed instead to be nothing more than ideological Groupists, more resembling a Cult of subrational, malleable bigots. For example, that’s probably why they don’t seem to remember Martin Luther King’s admonition about judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.

    Anyone who’s old enough and paid attention could see the progression from [Faux] Liberalism to Progressivism as just another deceptive name change and not meaning what the term would otherwise mean to the unsuspecting.

    Having watched “Progressives” for a while, what the term now means to me is “Regressive”, even to the point of wanting to destroy all meaning, except that related to brute force.

    But prior to that eventuation, you can almost bank on the operating assumption that what Progressives say will turn out to be false and often even the direct opposite of the truth, that is, if their words are not really intentionally designed to not have any meaning in the first place. “Post Normal Science” seems to be one of their latest such concoctions.

  67. George said

    Most of the “Progressives” I have met fit into two categories. Either they are barely making it (or not making it) and are looking for a new parent to take care of them or they grew up rich and have some sort of guilt.

    I have met very few middle class “progressives”. You know, the ones who have to pay more than they can afford and get nothing in return.

  68. John said

    Tamino is a big girliman.

  69. SamG said

    Ha! Beware of people who use the term ‘denialist’…

    As for learning the lessons of history, as far as I can tell, the devil wears a Che t-shirt.

    Ask yourselves how the enemy will permeate throughout society? Will you recognize them as the villain?
    Just as every totalitarian parades as some kind of delusional altruist, todays charlatans pose as environmentalists and charitable types.

    To my mind, the modern interpretation of pardoning ones sins is to join the left movement. It requires no work and promotion to the cultural elite is instantaneous.

    All this reassures me that all bad things are done in the name of good. Classic psychology.

  70. Espen said

    As for learning the lessons of history, as far as I can tell, the devil wears a Che t-shirt.

    Me, I’m wearing this T-shirt today: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/sciencemath/7189/
    🙂

  71. JamesGardiner said

    Well a lot of hate-mongering and failure to look at the skeletons in your own cupboard here. If you were seeking truth you might have noticed that loonies on the right are just as dangerous, stupid and corrupt as loonies on the left. You’ve just had eight years of it and somehow not yet managed to notice!

    Sure left-leaning loonies become terrorists yet right-leaning loonies stage coups against democratically elected governments and then run death squads. In all cases the innocent bystanders suffer for no good reason. A little bit more thought is needed before you start picking sides on the basis of ideology rather than basic humanity.

    From the progressive point of view, Conservatives are only looking at the science more closely because they don’t like taxes because they take your money and give it to the poor. To make that look less selfish they then managed to mangle it into a muddled economic theory, twisting Adam Smiths mere metaphor into a free-market god with a magic invisible hand. And of course if you demonize the disadvantaged in society then it’s really easy to have no conscience at all about them. For progressives it’s that lack of any obvious conscience that is the defining mark of a Conservative.

    Progressives also know well that if this faked up dossier was used to promote the bombing of more brown people in oil-rich states then Conservatives would be 100% for it – as indeed they have been for quite a while now. Pro-life, anti-murder, pro-truth – yeah right!

  72. Peter said

    Spoonerized Sunglass Boy is one of the most insufferable of the alarmists.

  73. SamG said

    True JamesGardiner, true…….but there’s always something scary about a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    I think common sense and reasonableness is a middle-of-the-road thing, not attributed to the dualities you speak of.

    It’s worth mentioning that dualities are dependent on one another and often one sees the right personified in the left. (for example: greed, control, wealth) It just irks me that so many leftists/socialists actually believe they are the good guys. Why don’t they come out of the closet already and admit that what they condemn is what they want.

    closet conservatives?

  74. Mark T said

    JamesGardiner said
    February 18, 2010 at 8:20 am

    If you were seeking truth you might have noticed that loonies on the right are just as dangerous, stupid and corrupt as loonies on the left.

    a) They don’t currently control the government
    b) What they are dangerous for are the things that are Constitutionally prohibited. What the left is dangerous for is not.

    You’ve just had eight years of it and somehow not yet managed to notice!

    And really, what did they do that was so destructive to our way of life?

    Mark

  75. Kenneth Fritsch said

    The thread was about Tamino’s tirade and then it gets hijacked into a political and emotional exchange that is no more than generalized finger pointing. I personally could not find much interest in a detailed discussion of Tamino or people like him anywhere in the political spectrum, but I think that a thread should stick to the details of the subject at hand.

  76. BarryW said

    The latest thing is connecting the Tea Party movement with Militias. If you can’t beat them smear them.

    Also notice that whenever they get cornered they change the label. They’re not Socialists anymore they’re “Progressives”. I guess what they mean is that they are ‘progressively” taking over the economy: Car manufacturers, banks…. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck ….

  77. Mark T said

    Kenneth Fritsch said
    February 18, 2010 at 11:11 am

    The thread was about Tamino’s tirade and then it gets hijacked into a political and emotional exchange that is no more than generalized finger pointing. I personally could not find much interest in a detailed discussion of Tamino or people like him anywhere in the political spectrum, but I think that a thread should stick to the details of the subject at hand.

    Actually, the opening sentence was about the problem with the progressive movement, using Tamino as a perfect example. While I agree the focus on Tamino’s tirade is certainly more important (because of its reflection on climate science), his tirade and its political implications are inexorably linked. You are right that it has become finger pointing match, but these sorts of threads always do.

    Mark

  78. windansea said

    Tamino, regardless of his political persuasion, is an A-hole with a capital A

    enuff said

  79. Fred Harwood said

    For more, read Thomas Sowell’s Intellectuals and Society (2009)

  80. mdjackson said

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    — C.S. Lewis

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  81. mdjackson said

    Here’s another good one:

    “There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.”
    — Robert A. Heinlein (The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress)

  82. David said

    71.JamesGardiner said
    February 18, 2010 at 8:20 am

    “Progressives also know well that if this faked up dossier was used to promote the bombing of more brown people in oil-rich states then Conservatives would be 100% for it – as indeed they have been for quite a while now.”

    In a word, clueless.

  83. tmtisfree said

    The following quote is appropriate:

    “The champions of totalitarianism call themselves ‘progressives’ precisely because they pretend to have comprehended the meaning of the portents [inexorable progress towards socialism]. And they ridicule and disparage as ‘reactionaries’ all those who try to resist the working of forces which – as they say – no human effort is strong enough to stop. Because of these ‘progressive’ policies new offices and government agencies thrive like mushrooms. The bureaucrats multiply and are anxious to restrict, step by step, the individual citizen’s freedom to act.”
    – Ludwig von Mises, Bureaucracy (1945), p.13

  84. NikFromNYC said

    Foster moderated out my exposure of his textbook style lying-with-statistics in order to disappear the oldest thermometer record of all:

  85. […] Prognostication You had better pay attention people. We must not question the authority of the progressive movement, throughout history […] […]

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