The Real Winners
Posted by Jeff Id on April 24, 2010
Guest post by Tom Fuller
(In the back of my mind I have this image of Lucia Liljegren sitting somewhere in Illinois thinking, ‘I know who Tom will pair me with, and I know exactly what he’s going to say. I hope he adds something interesting…’
There are two places on the Internet today where qualified people from both sides of the debate on climate change can actually have a civil discussion about issues of scientific substance. Those places are ‘My View on Climate Change’ run by Bart Verheggen and ‘The Blackboard,’ run by Lucia Liljegren. Coincidentally, they are both the ‘kindest’ bloggers on either side of the issue. By kind, I don’t mean they are marshmallows. Lucia has had comment wars on Climate Audit with scientists that are long and heated. And Bart Verheggen holds much the same opinion of me as does Tim Lambert–that I’m wrong, and dangerous to boot. But he’ll have long, patient and civil discussions with me about the error of my ways and never once discuss my ancestry, personal habits or probable destination.
However, both are civil, interesting and on topic. Lucia Liljegren is a Lukewarmer (she may have had something to do with inventing the name, but I’m not sure), who like me believes that global warming is real, but that alarmists have forged way ahead of the science in their claims. Bart Verheggen is a climate scientist specialized in the study of aerosols.
Lucia is impossible to dislike, I think–even Sod seems to have fun over there. Not many bloggers post the occasional haiku. Bart, who is from the Netherlands, is the perfect host and seems to wish he could take everyone out for a beer or six while we resolve our differences. It’s not a coincidence that my co-author Steve Mosher went to Lucia first with the Climategate files (I’m not offended–I would have, too), and it’s not a coincidence that Bart’s blog was the setting for a dramatic discussion of statistical propriety of analyses performed on temperature data series. That particular post, with its 1,000 plus comments, will be a classic in the annals of post-Climategate discussions, and should be published by itself–even with Sod’s comments.
Lucia’s Blackboard has archives going back to 2007. Bart doesn’t have a listed archive, so I don’t know how long he’s been in the biz.
Both have blogrolls–Lucia linking to non-consensus sites and Bart to consensus blogs.
Commenting is much less pressured than on many other sites–one reason why so much intelligent discussion takes place on the two blogs.
Neither blogger seems to have a fixed publishing schedule, but Lucia seems to post more frequently than Bart.
In my opinion, Bart made a serious mistake by instituting a comments policy after that incredible 1,000 comment post, especially because he’s apparently busy enough to not be able to clear comments quickly. This makes all the difference in having a real time discussion on a weblog, sort of like the difference between playing outdoor street chess in front of a bus station with an audience and playing long distance chess via snail mail with an elderly uncle. Doesn’t quite have the same kick.
I don’t have much more to put in an analysis–just that if anyone I cared about (and who had a good scientific grounding) all of a sudden took an interest in climate change, I would hope they chanced on these two blogs first to get a lay of the land.
Recent posts on My View On Climate Change:
1. The nature of blogging (“having a beer”) vs the nature of science (commentary on difference between blogging and scientific publishing)
2. The dietician responds (trying to recast the discussion on statistical analysis in terms more people can understand)
3. Recent changes in the sun, CO2 and temperature (Criticism of skeptic attempts to link solar variance with temperature changes)
4. CRU inquiry: Published results still credible; focus on Phil Jones misplaced (Celebration of Oxburgh inquire report)
5. A ‘rooty’ solution to my weight gain problem (trying to recast the discussion on statistical analysis in terms more people can understand)
6. Slow moderation (out of office alert)
7. Comment policy (following the 1,000 comment post, Bart instituted a comments policy)
8. The value of ‘open’ debate (discussion of whether or not to institute a comments policy)
9. What do we know about climate change? (reposting of You Tube video from Chris Fields of Stanford University)
10. The relevance of rooting for a root unit (discussion of issues raised in the 1,000 comment post)
Recent posts on The Blackboard:
1. Blagojevich Defense Filing Leak (non climate change post on the joys of Illinois politics)
2. Judy Curry interviewed by Kloor (reposting of interview with Dr. Judith Curry)
3. Parody of parody (commentary on YouTube taking down all Downfall voice-overs in relation to Michael Mann’s demand for withdrawal of parody song Hide the Decline)
4. Hide the Decline II (Discussion of Michael Mann’s threatened lawsuit over parody song Hide the Decline)
5. He-e-e-e’s Back! (Tom Chalko) (Media criticism of Tom Chalko of CBS)
6. Comparing global land/ocean reconstructions (guest post analysing temperature datasets)
7. Chaos/Open Thread (Discussion of the Lorenz Attractor)
8. HadCrut March 0.566C: 2nd warmest March (Monthly posting of released temperature data from Hadley)
9. NOAA March Temperature Anom: 0.7735C (Monthly posting of released temperature data from NOAA)
10. Oh the horror! (Spam blog software) (Discussion of software allowing the creation of automated ‘spam’ weblogs)