On the blogroll
Posted by Jeff Id on July 14, 2010
Bart Verheggen and I have had a few discussions on our views of climate politics.
I dunno, but it’s been interesting.
Our blogging relationship started when I was directed to one of his posts which turned into the now famous unit root discussion. Lucia covered it very well also. Bart had no idea who I was, so when I linked to his post from the first Roman hammer gridded temperature post, he left this beautiful thing.
Now that’s funny. Directing people to my blog and tell them not to read my post. Aren’t people allowed to see some graphs of global average temperature? What are you afraid of?
The absolutely hilariously ironic thing about it was that the post was an open source gridded temperature calculation done here!!, that came up with a higher trend than the pro version while he accused me of being afraid of the pro version. What are the odds??!! What makes it better is that he was complaining that I had told Roman the cool part was in the comments.
The comments are 90% of blogs, but in this case it was more like 99.9%. Not Bart’s fault, but that’s what happens. Tom Fuller was at fault for starting it:
Tom Fuller had a link to a post which I believe you will find worth your time.
The post isn’t the point though, you don’t have to read it. The comments start with VS at the top and work through a very stats oriented thread. I’m reading it slowly but it’s really worth checking the comments.
I suppose it wasn’t the softest comment but I’m not that good at ‘sensitivity’. hehe.. No offense was intended but he complained about telling people not to read his post while clearly not reading my post on which he commented. Even more beautifully he stated ‘what are you afraid of’ on an Air Vent post which which by random happenstance happened to be an open source calculation of a higher trend than climate science would have calculated.
Gawd, blogging can be fun.
I’ve got a WWE wrestling midget story that’s just as impossibly nuts as that. — no really, I do. I’m serious.
But Bart hasn’t figured out why we discuss the skeptic side of climate science. Our thoughts are not within his realm of experience as we can tell from his post here. To him, it’s all anti-science propaganda.
The last few comments here from Bart have been trying to nail me into claiming that the socialist aspects of climate science are the reason I don’t agree with climate science. Of course, like most of you, I don’t disagree with climate science. I disagree with specific aspects of it. I disagree with the magnitude and the proposed solution but only certain aspects of the science are full of it.
Bart doesn’t get us at all and that makes the situation kind of different from the norm in blogland. He’s not as deeply afflicted with the hubris of the Real Climate crowd, his own issues are probably created by the propaganda of his daily comrades.
First, he’s been under the impression that we would disagree with everything coming out of climate science. He really believes that.
Tom Fuller actually took the time to try and explain our/my position to Bart, but the community here is complex and many of our thoughts are equally nuanced.
Well, I hope you two settle your differences amicably. Jeff is not a denier of science and Bart may be running into linguistic filters here, although you’re sometimes quick to label me as well.
Tom’s right, I’m no fan of leftism and often apply lables. What I am a fan of though is honesty and despite Bart’s obvious and a little seedy attempts to paint me into an anti-science corner, this seems to be an honest person. I mean, he tells you what he thinks. We’re not getting RC style anti-Bart for propaganda purposes, he really believes what he writes.
I looked for literally a year for a cliamtologist believer who you could trust the opinion of. They are very difficult to find because of the unhealthy nature of the science. Delayed Oscillator came close but kept clipping my comments, there was another one too but I lost track of them. The first rule though is that these people are not qualified to clip our comments. I will not accept or link to that kind of discussion – because I don’t want to read it, and Bart’s acceptance of differing opinion has gained my respect.
So Bart, to his surprise I’m sure, is being added to my blogroll. I will recommend his blog to those who need to hear the other side.
If you think this is making nice with him… no way and welcome to the Air Vent. My blogroll is blogs I’ve read and read regularly. There is no magic too them. There are several other blogs that belong on it, but I hunt through the linked blogs to get to them. Some of you don’t know that I read your stuff, because I rarely comment on what was read. For instance I went to Lucia’s for most of a year through Climate Audit, and probably left one comment in that entire time. A lurker with a blog — a loud one.
So in short, I think Bart is wrong on politics. I think he’s prone to exaggerate the damage of climate change. I think he’s overly certain of his conclusions. I think he has no idea why we exist. And I think his field doesn’t allow him to realize mistakes. The climate hasn’t had time to prove a non-retired climatologist wrong, and that builds a hubris where they don’t realize the error. Engineering is not so forgiving — perhaps there is a blog post in that concept.
But I do think that he believes what he writes, and he seems honest in his opinions. I’ve been looking for that for a long time.
So since my blogroll is blogs I read…and watch…. welcome to the Air Vent Bart.