O’Donnel et al. First Praise from Climate Community
Posted by Jeff Id on December 7, 2010
At Climate Audit Andrew Weaver, who is not a climate skeptic, has been very complimentary of the Antarctic paper.
Link here for audio of the relevant bit.
We haven’t yet described the meaning in the extensive work but the implications are both overall and seasonal trend. I wonder how he got a copy, not that it is a big deal but I’m glad people are taking notice. There was far too much work put into this for it to be ignored. I am waiting along with the rest of you for Ryan’s next post, it doesn’t seem right for me to do it after all the work that he and Nic (and the rest of us) put in.
Some quotes from Dr. Andrew Weaver
I think will turn out to be quite an important study.
This science will be highly cited, it’s actually an important study and it is advancing scientific knowledge.
UPDATE: He was apparently chief editor of the Journal of Climate and now serves as editor emeritus.
Oliver K. Manuel said
Congratulations!
This may be a signal that the AGW camp wants compromise.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
RB said
I wasn’t following this debate then, so I’m unaware of all the details and history. But congratulations to all the authors and congratulations to Ryan O in the lead role for appropriately moving the science forward via publication and in setting an exemplary tone for interaction.
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Jimmy Haigh said
Gavin may be disappointed in Andrew Weaver…
Sonicfrog said
Well, Bigcitylib is not going to be pleased.
bob said
Hi All, seriously check this out. Annotated version of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report – (FAR or AR4) – 2007:
http://accessipcc.com/index.html
Geoff Sherrington said
In retrospect, did you pick up useful ideas for formal publication, from blogs (yours and others) with comments by people opposed to your work and people wanting to help it?
Kenneth Fritsch said
I think that one thing the authors of O’Donnell et al. (2010) have done in an exemplary way is to defend the basis for their paper to all comers at blogs and blogs with countervailing points of views and do it in a reasonable and non emotional manner. Since RyanO carried most of the discussion with Steig at RC, I have to point to his discussion as a great example of how to keep the discussion on topic and tied to the statistics and science of the matter.
How many times have we seen some climate scientists come to blogs with a countervailing POV and get emotional and walk away without answering some rather pertinent questions. I have come to believe that this attitude on the part of some scientists comes from the fact that they do not think they have anything to prove outside their consensus group and therefore are not as motivated as those on the outside to accommodate a good discussion of their theories, conjectures and papers.
I would like to believe that the O’Donnell authors are genuinely nice guys, and given that the roles were reversed, who would continue to be as accommodating as they have been to this point.
Layman Lurker said
Now lets not get carried away here Kenneth.😉
Kenneth Fritsch said
Sorry, LL I must have temporarily lost my head.
Fred said
“At Climate Audit Andrew Weaver, who is not a climate skeptic”
Technically he isn’t a climatologist either. His background is in Oceanogragphy.
Close but just a cheap imitation cigar.
kim said
Hmmm, maybe he’s an oceanographer privy to Willis’ latest Argo goo.
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Brian H said
Since there is no such thing as a climatologist, it would be very well to have more actual oceanographers, hydrologists, statistician, mathematicians, programmers, modellers, forecasters, physicists, etc. etc. actually dealing with the areas they know in the climate discussion, rather than relying on DIY kluges from a bunch of self- and government-selected second-raters.
And Mann, Jones, Steig, Weaver, and friends are barely even that good.
timetochooseagain said
11-Let’s be fair. Very few Universities offer degrees in “climatology”, and fewer still whenever Weaver got his. Most people who would deserve to be called “climatologists” even in a derogatory sense, do not have degrees in “climatology”.
Jeff Id said
I’ll point out for the purposes of this discussion that Dr. Weaver was the ‘cheif’ editor of Journal of Climate which was stated by Steig’s post to be
” the leading climate journal.”
Jeff Id said
He was also a premier editor of AR4, so if that ain’t qualified to be a klimatoknowledgist, I don’t know what is.
Mark T said
Hehe, Mann flunked out of his first choice. Climatology, or whatever they offered, was his chosen runner up. Kinda like in engineering school when guys would drop chem eng., ceramic eng., or mechanical eng. to take metallurgical eng., also known as “no sweat met.”
Mark