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Is it the Message or the Presentation

Posted by Jeff Id on October 26, 2011

I haven’t read more than the title of this article.  No time for blogging.  I have read and re-read the Berkley temperature study and have a bit different of an opinion than some of my fellow ‘skeptic’ bloggers.  Hopefully I’ll have time for that in the next day or two.

In the meantime, this article’s title  leads to one of my favorite chicken little points of the AGW movement:

New Research Casts Doubt on Doomsday Water Shortage Predictions

By measuring the isotopes in river water, scientists have determined that mountain glaciers contribute less than thought to downstream water supplies

I wonder if the greens wonder why the 1970’s greens used to call our planet a blue marble?    Green/blue, what’s the difference?

Well, seeing that the earth is about 70% covered with ocean water and that rain  storms are constant, how is it that warmer Earth might somehow ‘dry’ the atmosphere and cause less fresh water to fall from the sky?

Just how stupid are we non-scientists?

Then I suppose if we’ll sit with our Abercrombe cloths, facebook and IPhones in the streets and shelter in mass produced tents and blankets to protest big companies and capitalism, the scientists may just have us intellectually beaten.

Less water from the sky though?  So we’re going to thirst to death while drowning from higher oceans.  That is a tough message to sell.  I’m thinking if they just “communicate” better, it may work out.

14 Responses to “Is it the Message or the Presentation”

  1. M. Simon said

    Multiply the contradictions.

  2. TGSG said

    Like a politician trying to be everything to everybody. Of course they are in trouble trying to explain this away.

  3. Brian H said

    Well, once you’ve fired up the Infinite Improbability Drive, anything goes!

  4. lucia said

    That’s pretty interesting.

    Also, even if glacier melt was a major source of river melt, if there is more precipitation as rain or snow, opportunities for water storage arise. That might involve civil engineering to build dams or people collecting water in cysterns (they way my husband’s grandmother did for her laundry business 20s -40s Joliet Illinois), but, it’s an option for some who might need water.

  5. Thanks, Jeff, for the message.

    Mostly, I know that I don’t know. Today it seems increasingly obvious that the corruption of science was closely tied with the development of a New World Order and a tyrannical one-world government.

    Thanks to my own addictions, I see many talented people almost totally controlled by addictions to:

    a.) Gladiator sports for adult testosterone males
    b.) Reality TV and soap operas for adult females
    c.) Drugs, alcohol, sex and violence for teenagers
    d.) Video games and psychotropic drugs for children
    e.) Models of reality for ‘wannabe scientists’ to study for grants and awards

    Unaware that they lost the precious gift that Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers gave us in 1776:

    Our right to self-governance! World leaders used mind control and global climate change to take control [1], remove the right to self-government [2], and establish tyranny [3]. Near the end of the Little Ice Age, Thomas Jefferson himself pointed out how very fragile self-government is:

    “I regret that I am now to die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it.” [2]


    1. “Deep roots of the global climate scandal (1971-2011)”

    Click to access 20110722_Climategate_Roots.pdf

    2. “Thomas Jefferson’s letter to John Holmes (22 April 1820)”

    3. George Orwell’s 1949 book on tyrannical government, “1984″

    Enlightenment is knowing The Great Reality still controls Big Brother!

    Again, Jeff, thanks for your efforts on behalf of sanity in an insane world.

    All is well,

  6. It’s neither the message nor the presentation – it’s the now ubiquitous, lightweight post-modernist education….

    Thus we are now beset on all sides by the hordes of smugly arrogant pinheads such ersatz education produces, no good for any employment other than in government or academia….

    Thomas Jefferson had a keen nose for them….

  7. stan said

    Interesting implications for climate models?

  8. Jeff Id said

    What is funny is that much of the alarmist community is quietly rooting for the protesters.

  9. Kenneth Fritsch said

    Stan, that article on modeling points to a rather obvious conclusion that using in-sample data for constructing a model will often fail to predict future events out-of-sample. That is rather old hat stuff that is presented as some kind of revelation. That should be the surprising part. It is not surprising for me as I know that many intelligent and technically orienting people get this wrong all the time.

  10. kim said


  11. intrepid_wanders said

    I liked the engineer v scientist perspective:

    “La Frenierre first came to Ecuador as part of Engineers Without Borders to help build a water system, and soon started to ask what changes in the mountain’s glacier coverage would mean for the irrigation and drinking needs of the 200,000 people living downstream. Working with Mark and analyzing water streams, he said, is upending many of his assumptions.

    Doomsday descriptions don’t fit
    “The easy hypothesis is that it’s going to be a disaster here. I don’t know if that’s the case,” La Frenierre said. He agreed that overstatements about the impacts are rampant in the Himalayas as well, saying, “The idea that 1.4 billion people are going to be without water when the glaciers melt is just not the case. It’s a local problem; it’s a local question. There are places that are going to be more impacted than other places.”.

    Reminds me of a Straight Dope article:

    “A more consequential example is the Ehrlichs. To give them due credit, their take on how life as we know it will end was (and is) all too plausible: we’ll simply run out of resources. As for when, on the other hand, their methodology was just a couple pegs above Browning’s. They predicted demographic disaster by extrapolating the trend du jour, which showed the earth’s population rising at a geometric rate. If that kept up, they wrote, in 900 years the planet would house 60 million billion people…”

    “…The shrewder doomsayers do this too, but their rationalizing is often something like: all in the service of the greater good. You can’t blame them, really. They’re just making practical use of the paradox known to every politician who ever walked the earth: people will listen when you lie to them, and ignore you when you tell the truth.”

  12. Frank K. said

    CAGW rule number 1:

    “Everyday is doomsday.”

    CAGW rule number 2:

    “Every climate ‘event’ is catastrophic.”

    CAGW rule number 3:

    “People will do nothing when their environment changes around them.”
    (Example: People along the coast will sit in their lawn chairs while the sea level rises 2.5 mm/year, then eventually drown when they are 90 years old).

    CAGW rule number 4:

    “Weather’s not climate unless it is warmer than normal.”

    CAGW rule number 5:

    “Models are the new reality.”

    CAGW rule number 6:

    “Observations must be discarded if they contradict Rule number 5.”

  13. Frank K. said

    Jeff Id said
    October 28, 2011 at 8:46 am

    “What is funny is that much of the alarmist community is quietly rooting for the protesters.”

    What will NOT be so funny is when the “protesters” begin to redistribute THEIR wealth. Heck, I would LOVE to redistribute the wasteful climate science spending – I’d even give it to OWS losers…

  14. stan said


    seemed to be another example of Lorenz’ chaos. If you don’t have the numbers down perfectly, your model careens out of control.

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