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Climategate 10 Years Later

Posted by Jeff Id on December 12, 2019

Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre have written an article on the impact of climategate.  With Michael Mann’s fake defamation lawsuit in progress, it is particularly appropriate at this time.

Highly recommended read which somewhat confusingly was not put up at Climate Audit blog.

CLIMATEGATE: UNTANGLING MYTH AND REALITY 10 YEARS LATER

Steve McIntyre and I have written a retrospective and evaluation of the issues raised by Climategate and the inquiries that followed from it:

It’s hard to believe that a decade later the controversies are still resonating, even to the point of having bearing on a decision of the US Supreme Court last week (via a point made by Justice Alito in his dissent), as well as a decision this past summer in a BC court pertaining to the dismissal of a defamation case. We discuss these things and many many more. We had hoped to write a short summary of a few key items, but ended up going deep into some topics that are still pertinent and subject to widespread misunderstanding and misinformation.


10 Responses to “Climategate 10 Years Later”

  1. Matthew W said

    Imagine my surprise when I ended up with the password !!

  2. curious said

    Thanks for flagging this up. Looking forward to reading it – I was reading tAV the night the link was dropped and I probably have the original .zip on an old machine!

    I still visit tAV from time to time – it’s good to read your perspective on US politics. In the UK we’ve just had a landslide election result to the Conservatives which one hopes opens the door to a more rational approach to climate policy. However in his first media election victory speech, Boris Johnson, underlined the commitment to a “carbon neutral uk” by 2050.

    The incoming EU Commission have also doubled down on the “Climate Emergency” agenda and are making extensive and ambitious policy statements across the board.

    My view is that no matter what scientific arguments or policy critiques are lodged which show the deficiencies in this climate emergency narrative, the direction of travel will not change. This direction is reinforced by the widening net of measures which put monetary valuations on CO2 and the massive resulting investment flows.

    The only thing which will cause a setback will be if Mother Nature provides a solid and substantial kick back which directly contradicts and impacts those predicting and planning around global warming. I think the converse will also be true – if there is an upturn in global warming it will be seized on as obviously requiring acceleration and strengthening of the current programme of actions.

    In this context I await next year’s temperature numbers with interest – the global sulphur cap comes into force January 2020 and, if the currently accepted science is correct, this ought to result in warming. Despite many published papers noting this expected result, I haven’t seen it covered on the climate blogs. If you’ve time to look, I’d be interested in your opinion.
    +++++++++
    Example open access paper February 2018

    “Cleaner fuels for ships provide public health benefits with climate tradeoffs”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02774-9

    • Jeff Id said

      The UK election was awesome. Hoping it’s a portent of the future. The brown colored ‘green’ thing is actually penetrating a lot of people’s minds these days. It seems to be a lost cause to point out that people should read a graph before deciding to get rid of our best energy sources. Of course, I used to think most people could read a graph. That turned out to be a bit naive as well.

      I have the zip file kicking around also. Haven’t read the emails in a long time. McKitrick and McIntyre’s paper brought back a lot of memories of them. Soooo corrupt.

    • Jeff Id said

      Some of the smaller blog’s rolls in the Climategate events are being removed from history. To my knowledge, tAV isn’t even mentioned in the climategate history pages at WUWT. The second release, passwords and other things that happened at smaller blogs like this one are hard to find as well. There were about 5000 views per day here when the link was released to the public. Lots of smart people who knew exactly what was going on even before the email release.

      I had probably a dozen posts about chopping off data pre-climategate. It was an interesting time for quite a few of us when those emails were released.

  3. Tom in St. Johns said

    I agree with the assessment that their release didn’t have a large enough impact. I think that lack of impact was due to the media not highlighting the corruption of science rather the approached it as “Mr. FOIA” was a criminal and should be found and prosecuted.

  4. Jeff Id said

    I remember so many contributions from readers to the events of that time. It was a huge crowd effort.

  5. Layman Lurker said

    Great to see you blogging again Jeff! You even managed to get under Brandon’s skin lol. I miss the climate science discussion and deconstruction it was great fun. You did such brilliant work. Would be great to get back into again wouldn’t it? I have some ideas for posts that I should share with you sometime.

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