“This is a stunt folks. Go ahead and scream in rage if you wish, but it is both a stunt and a dangerous one because it invites retaliation. Federal elections are run by the States and thus if Colorado can ignore the Constitution so could Texas, Florida or even every GOP-held state and force Biden off the ballot. Indeed they could argue that in addition to immigration and corruption issues the mandates from the Biden Administration were solicitations to and commission of manslaughter, that such was a deliberate act taken to compromise the government and overthrow same, resulting in a dictatorial outcome and this too meets the standard for insurrection. Poof — off the ballot he goes despite never being arrested, tried and convicted of anything.
Correction: Each state has laws that determine which candidates/parties were on their ballot in 1860 and determine today which parties/candidates names will appear on their ballot. The Green Party? The Libertarian Party? Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996? A No Labels candidate in 2024? Usually new parties need to collect a certain number of signatures to get on the ballot today. That was probably true in 1860 too.
The Missouri compromise had admitted Missouri as a slave state, but outlawed slavery in the territories north of 36 deg 30′ (the northern boundary of today’s OK, NM and AZ). That compromise was overturned by the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which allowed territories to organize as either free or slave stated by popular vote when seeking admission. Civil war had broken out in Kansas between pro- and anti-slavery forces from inside and outside of Kansas. The Republican party was formed in 1854 to oppose the expansion of slavery – an evil – into any new territories, but acknowledged that it was the responsibility of states where it already existed. Consequently, the Republican party was strong in the North from its founding and its candidate (Fremont) did not made it on to the ballot in AL, AR, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, MO, TN, TX or VA in 1856 (and Electors were still being chosen by the SC state legislature instead of by a popular vote). By 1860, the Republican party candidate Lincoln was on the ballot in KY (winning 1% of the vote), MO (10%) and VA (1%). The Republicans were on the ballot in DE (2% and 23%) and MD (0.3% and 2%) in both elections, but were not a major factor in either border state.
By 1856, the Whig party (which had elected Taylor president in 1848) had disintegrated. Millard Fillmore, candidate of the American Party, commonly referred to as the Know Nothing Party, was on the ballot in all states (except SC) and not deliberately excluded by the Democrats. In 1860, two Democrats were on the ballot, Steven Douglas and John Breckinridge, in most states except for a Democrat fusion candidate in NY, PA, RI and NJ, along with John Bell from the Constitution Party (Whigs and Know Nothings who had refused to join the Republican Party). Breckenridge won 11 Southern states (72 EV) but only 18% of the national vote, while Douglas only won 1 state (MO) and some electoral votes in PA and NJ, but 30% of the popular vote. Bell won VA, KY and TN, but only 13% of the Popular vote. This allowed Lincoln to win 180 EVs with 40% of the popular vote and a majority of the vote in all Northern states except NJ and narrow pluralities in CA and OR.
In summary, the Democrats never took a republican candidate off of the ballot in 1860 (or 1856). A purely regional party, the Republicans had never qualified to put a candidate on the ballot in the South. If the Democrats had been willing to unfairly exclude candidates from other political parties, they would have excluded Millard Filmore in 1856 and John Bell in 1860.
The Constitution says only natural born citizens over 35 can become president.
Donald Trump insisted Ted Cruz was not allowed to run for President because Cruz was born in Canada and therefore not qualified under the Constitution. Now you and he don’t want the Constitution to be used to prevent Trump from running for election again. What hypocrisy! We all know that Trump believes he is above the law, but you know better.
After the Civil War, Southerners elected many of the same leaders who had led and fought for succession. Northerners found this grossly unacceptable and included Section 3 in the 14th Amendment: “No person shall [hold office] … who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” [against the US] or given aid or comfort to our enemies”. The debate over this clause of the amendment made it clear that the language also applied to any future insurrection or rebellion, not just the civil war. Many Southern rebels were denied the right to serve in federal or state or military office after the Civil War (until they were pardoned).
If J6 were an insurrection or rebellion, Trump is NOT qualified to be president – just like California Governor Schwarnegger is not qualified to be president, because he was born in Germany. If a majority of the people (or Presidential Electors) wanted to elect Schwarnegger president, it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference because the constitution is higher law passed by at least 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states. A simple majority can’t overrule provisions in the constitution.
Socialist Party member Victor Berger of Wisconsin was found guilty of violating the Espionage Act for opposing the US entry into WWI and prevented from taking his seat in the House of Representatives. Couy Griffen was barred from serving as a New Mexico commissioner in 2022 for participating as a leader of the attack on the Capitol in 2021.
Whether or not Trump participated in an insurrection on J6 is a legal question, not a political one or one for the voters. Two COURTS in Colorado (not the Democrat Party) have looked at the EVIDENCE and decided he did. Other courts have reached different conclusions.
The evidence shows that Trump had been planning to send his supporters to the Capitol on J6 for several weeks and that he intended to be there himself. You can not longer pretend the attack was an accident.
The only attack I saw was by the FIB and capitol police on an otherwise quiet crowd. After being shot with rubber bullets without verbal commands to leave the area, the crowd was pissed off.
Not even an effort to communicate that ‘ well you know, you need to leave now’. Hell, the police and fib incited, opened doors then attacked and murdered several people.
The attack was not an accident. On THAT, we agree.
Really sad, Jeff. Try listening to Markwayne Mullen, Representative and now Senator from Oklahoma who voted to reject Biden’s Electoral Voters on Jan 6 and who stayed behind with three other Congressmen to help the Capitol Police defend the House. Video is from an oral history project documenting (without political spin) significant experiences on J6
Jeff says: “After being shot with rubber bullets without verbal commands to leave the area, the crowd was pissed off”
Even more embarrassing! You sound like someone from BLM. Prejudiced white police are deliberately killing black suspects. Prejudiced Capitol Police deliberately riled up Trump supporters by unnecessarily firing rubber bullets at them. The Capitol Police didn’t pick sides: They defended against both BLM rioters and Trump supporters.
By now, probably 500 defendants have gone through the courts for their actions on J6. Every conspiracy theory blaming the FBI or other Trump opponent for what happened has had its day in court, and none has prevailed. YOU may have only seen quiet crowd, but hundreds of legal proceedings have not. And the one thing that defendant has said is that they were in the Capitol or trying to break into the Capitol because they believed Donald Trump wanted them there (to stop Congressional certification of Biden’s victory.
Best wishes, Frank.
(BTW, I came by for information about the Muskegon registration fraud.)
Although it is a fact that the Republican party’s candidates did not appearing on ballots in the South in 1860 or 1856, that wasn’t the fault of the Democrat party. The Republican party was only formed in 1854 to oppose expansion of slavery into US territories. They were a highly regional party and probably didn’t submit enough signatures to qualify to appear on the ballot in 1856 and 1860. Republicans did manage to get onto the ballot in several border states in 1856 (DE and MD) and added VA, KY and MO in 1860, but weren’t very competitive in any of them. Lincoln won only 2.5% of the votes in MD in 1860. Collecting the signatures to get on the ballot further South was a waste of time.
If the Democrats had wanted to increase their chances of winning by unethically or illegally keeping candidates/parties off of the ballot, they would have banned the American (aka Know Nothing) Party in 1856 and the Constitutional Union Party (John Bell) that won three border states with 39 EVs (more than the 12 EV’s Douglas won) in 1860. Lincoln won by winning all of the Northern States (except NJ) with more than 50% of the vote (and needed EVs), so it didn’t make any difference how Douglas, Breckenridge and Bell split the vote.
Ian: Wisconsin has been highly gerrymandered by the Republican legislature to concentrate as many Democrat voters as possible into two districts. Democrats won the Wisconsin 2nd and 4th districts with 71% and 75% of the vote, while Republican incumbents won comfortably the 1st, 5th, 6th (unopposed), 7th and 8th. The Wisconsin 3rd District is roughly equally divided: A Dem incumbent won in 2020 by 3%, but retired and a Republican won in 2022 by 4%.
The non-partisan Cook Partisan Voter Index is somewhat easier to understand since it ignores incumbency and turnout. The state is currently judged R+2, but was even in 2020. Based on Cook’s information, that means the average Republican statewide candidate (or presidential candidate) would be expected to win by 2%, if neither had an incumbency or charisma advantage. Wisconsin’s eight Congressional Districts are rated R+3, D+19, R+4, D+25, R+14, R+10, R+12, and R+10. Adding things up gives R+53 and D+19 or about a R+1 across eight districts. This narrow statewide margin accounts for the fact that Wisconsin has one Republican senator and one Democrat Senator and a Democrat Governor. Democrat Evers beat Walker for Governor by 1% in 2018 and (as an incumbent) Tim Michels by 3.5% in 2022.
The Democrats now control the State Supreme Court, which has found the current gerrymandered map invalid, so this situation may change. However Republicans control both Houses of the legislature.
Don’t insult your intelligence by repeating allegations from The Gateway Pundit without at least doing a little checking
Merry Christmas Jeff and to all your family.
And I hope the New Year can bring some faith and hope for a brighter future for your country in the near future.
Ray
Ps. We are already 6 hours into Christmas Day and all the grandchildren are up and at it in their respective homes. We will all share a Christmas lunch at one of my daughters houses which will involve several hours travel for some.
Beat the system , live your best life.
“THIS IS BIG: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Refuses to Testify Under Oath About Secretary of State’s Dominion Voting Machines”
“The report confirms that votes can be altered in the Dominion voting machines. In fact, the report reveals that the Dominion software is vulnerable and can be hacked.”
Given access to Dominion’s proprietary software, a Dominion machine and several weeks, the authors of the report said they make these voting machine vulnerable to manipulation. Of course, hackers won’t necessarily have access to the software, the machines are normally stored locked up and under surveillance and manipulation could easily be detected through testing. Other election experts don’t believe this is a significant vulnerability. However, the fact that Georgia’s machines print ballots with bar-codes that can be read by machine, but not by voters means a layer of security is missing in these systems.
the Air Vent 
FWIW
More on
“The Theater of Trump”
“This is a stunt folks. Go ahead and scream in rage if you wish, but it is both a stunt and a dangerous one because it invites retaliation. Federal elections are run by the States and thus if Colorado can ignore the Constitution so could Texas, Florida or even every GOP-held state and force Biden off the ballot. Indeed they could argue that in addition to immigration and corruption issues the mandates from the Biden Administration were solicitations to and commission of manslaughter, that such was a deliberate act taken to compromise the government and overthrow same, resulting in a dictatorial outcome and this too meets the standard for insurrection. Poof — off the ballot he goes despite never being arrested, tried and convicted of anything.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=250349
Correction: Each state has laws that determine which candidates/parties were on their ballot in 1860 and determine today which parties/candidates names will appear on their ballot. The Green Party? The Libertarian Party? Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996? A No Labels candidate in 2024? Usually new parties need to collect a certain number of signatures to get on the ballot today. That was probably true in 1860 too.
The Missouri compromise had admitted Missouri as a slave state, but outlawed slavery in the territories north of 36 deg 30′ (the northern boundary of today’s OK, NM and AZ). That compromise was overturned by the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which allowed territories to organize as either free or slave stated by popular vote when seeking admission. Civil war had broken out in Kansas between pro- and anti-slavery forces from inside and outside of Kansas. The Republican party was formed in 1854 to oppose the expansion of slavery – an evil – into any new territories, but acknowledged that it was the responsibility of states where it already existed. Consequently, the Republican party was strong in the North from its founding and its candidate (Fremont) did not made it on to the ballot in AL, AR, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, MO, TN, TX or VA in 1856 (and Electors were still being chosen by the SC state legislature instead of by a popular vote). By 1860, the Republican party candidate Lincoln was on the ballot in KY (winning 1% of the vote), MO (10%) and VA (1%). The Republicans were on the ballot in DE (2% and 23%) and MD (0.3% and 2%) in both elections, but were not a major factor in either border state.
By 1856, the Whig party (which had elected Taylor president in 1848) had disintegrated. Millard Fillmore, candidate of the American Party, commonly referred to as the Know Nothing Party, was on the ballot in all states (except SC) and not deliberately excluded by the Democrats. In 1860, two Democrats were on the ballot, Steven Douglas and John Breckinridge, in most states except for a Democrat fusion candidate in NY, PA, RI and NJ, along with John Bell from the Constitution Party (Whigs and Know Nothings who had refused to join the Republican Party). Breckenridge won 11 Southern states (72 EV) but only 18% of the national vote, while Douglas only won 1 state (MO) and some electoral votes in PA and NJ, but 30% of the popular vote. Bell won VA, KY and TN, but only 13% of the Popular vote. This allowed Lincoln to win 180 EVs with 40% of the popular vote and a majority of the vote in all Northern states except NJ and narrow pluralities in CA and OR.
In summary, the Democrats never took a republican candidate off of the ballot in 1860 (or 1856). A purely regional party, the Republicans had never qualified to put a candidate on the ballot in the South. If the Democrats had been willing to unfairly exclude candidates from other political parties, they would have excluded Millard Filmore in 1856 and John Bell in 1860.
The Constitution says only natural born citizens over 35 can become president.
Donald Trump insisted Ted Cruz was not allowed to run for President because Cruz was born in Canada and therefore not qualified under the Constitution. Now you and he don’t want the Constitution to be used to prevent Trump from running for election again. What hypocrisy! We all know that Trump believes he is above the law, but you know better.
After the Civil War, Southerners elected many of the same leaders who had led and fought for succession. Northerners found this grossly unacceptable and included Section 3 in the 14th Amendment: “No person shall [hold office] … who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” [against the US] or given aid or comfort to our enemies”. The debate over this clause of the amendment made it clear that the language also applied to any future insurrection or rebellion, not just the civil war. Many Southern rebels were denied the right to serve in federal or state or military office after the Civil War (until they were pardoned).
If J6 were an insurrection or rebellion, Trump is NOT qualified to be president – just like California Governor Schwarnegger is not qualified to be president, because he was born in Germany. If a majority of the people (or Presidential Electors) wanted to elect Schwarnegger president, it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference because the constitution is higher law passed by at least 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states. A simple majority can’t overrule provisions in the constitution.
Socialist Party member Victor Berger of Wisconsin was found guilty of violating the Espionage Act for opposing the US entry into WWI and prevented from taking his seat in the House of Representatives. Couy Griffen was barred from serving as a New Mexico commissioner in 2022 for participating as a leader of the attack on the Capitol in 2021.
Whether or not Trump participated in an insurrection on J6 is a legal question, not a political one or one for the voters. Two COURTS in Colorado (not the Democrat Party) have looked at the EVIDENCE and decided he did. Other courts have reached different conclusions.
The evidence shows that Trump had been planning to send his supporters to the Capitol on J6 for several weeks and that he intended to be there himself. You can not longer pretend the attack was an accident.
The only attack I saw was by the FIB and capitol police on an otherwise quiet crowd. After being shot with rubber bullets without verbal commands to leave the area, the crowd was pissed off.
Not even an effort to communicate that ‘ well you know, you need to leave now’. Hell, the police and fib incited, opened doors then attacked and murdered several people.
The attack was not an accident. On THAT, we agree.
Lol. Conspiracy. Conspiracy. Conspiracy. Conspiracy.
Really sad, Jeff. Try listening to Markwayne Mullen, Representative and now Senator from Oklahoma who voted to reject Biden’s Electoral Voters on Jan 6 and who stayed behind with three other Congressmen to help the Capitol Police defend the House. Video is from an oral history project documenting (without political spin) significant experiences on J6
https://www.c-span.org/video/?513522-1/january-6-views-house-representatives-markwayne-mullin-jason-crow-tom-malinowski
Jeff says: “After being shot with rubber bullets without verbal commands to leave the area, the crowd was pissed off”
Even more embarrassing! You sound like someone from BLM. Prejudiced white police are deliberately killing black suspects. Prejudiced Capitol Police deliberately riled up Trump supporters by unnecessarily firing rubber bullets at them. The Capitol Police didn’t pick sides: They defended against both BLM rioters and Trump supporters.
By now, probably 500 defendants have gone through the courts for their actions on J6. Every conspiracy theory blaming the FBI or other Trump opponent for what happened has had its day in court, and none has prevailed. YOU may have only seen quiet crowd, but hundreds of legal proceedings have not. And the one thing that defendant has said is that they were in the Capitol or trying to break into the Capitol because they believed Donald Trump wanted them there (to stop Congressional certification of Biden’s victory.
Best wishes, Frank.
(BTW, I came by for information about the Muskegon registration fraud.)
Although it is a fact that the Republican party’s candidates did not appearing on ballots in the South in 1860 or 1856, that wasn’t the fault of the Democrat party. The Republican party was only formed in 1854 to oppose expansion of slavery into US territories. They were a highly regional party and probably didn’t submit enough signatures to qualify to appear on the ballot in 1856 and 1860. Republicans did manage to get onto the ballot in several border states in 1856 (DE and MD) and added VA, KY and MO in 1860, but weren’t very competitive in any of them. Lincoln won only 2.5% of the votes in MD in 1860. Collecting the signatures to get on the ballot further South was a waste of time.
If the Democrats had wanted to increase their chances of winning by unethically or illegally keeping candidates/parties off of the ballot, they would have banned the American (aka Know Nothing) Party in 1856 and the Constitutional Union Party (John Bell) that won three border states with 39 EVs (more than the 12 EV’s Douglas won) in 1860. Lincoln won by winning all of the Northern States (except NJ) with more than 50% of the vote (and needed EVs), so it didn’t make any difference how Douglas, Breckenridge and Bell split the vote.
And again –
“Irrefutable Proof: It’s Clear that Wisconsin Democrats are Cheating and Stealing Races”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/irrefutable-proof-its-clear-that-wisconsin-democrats-are/
Ian: Wisconsin has been highly gerrymandered by the Republican legislature to concentrate as many Democrat voters as possible into two districts. Democrats won the Wisconsin 2nd and 4th districts with 71% and 75% of the vote, while Republican incumbents won comfortably the 1st, 5th, 6th (unopposed), 7th and 8th. The Wisconsin 3rd District is roughly equally divided: A Dem incumbent won in 2020 by 3%, but retired and a Republican won in 2022 by 4%.
The non-partisan Cook Partisan Voter Index is somewhat easier to understand since it ignores incumbency and turnout. The state is currently judged R+2, but was even in 2020. Based on Cook’s information, that means the average Republican statewide candidate (or presidential candidate) would be expected to win by 2%, if neither had an incumbency or charisma advantage. Wisconsin’s eight Congressional Districts are rated R+3, D+19, R+4, D+25, R+14, R+10, R+12, and R+10. Adding things up gives R+53 and D+19 or about a R+1 across eight districts. This narrow statewide margin accounts for the fact that Wisconsin has one Republican senator and one Democrat Senator and a Democrat Governor. Democrat Evers beat Walker for Governor by 1% in 2018 and (as an incumbent) Tim Michels by 3.5% in 2022.
The Democrats now control the State Supreme Court, which has found the current gerrymandered map invalid, so this situation may change. However Republicans control both Houses of the legislature.
Don’t insult your intelligence by repeating allegations from The Gateway Pundit without at least doing a little checking
Merry Christmas Jeff and to all your family.
And I hope the New Year can bring some faith and hope for a brighter future for your country in the near future.
Ray
Ps. We are already 6 hours into Christmas Day and all the grandchildren are up and at it in their respective homes. We will all share a Christmas lunch at one of my daughters houses which will involve several hours travel for some.
Beat the system , live your best life.
FWIW
“Russia more honest than our North American media
School textbooks say Trump lost in RIGGED election
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/even-kremlin-knows-its-true-russian-textbooks-say/ “
“THIS IS BIG: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Refuses to Testify Under Oath About Secretary of State’s Dominion Voting Machines”
“The report confirms that votes can be altered in the Dominion voting machines. In fact, the report reveals that the Dominion software is vulnerable and can be hacked.”
More at
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/this-is-big-georgia-secretary-state-brad-raffensperger/
Given access to Dominion’s proprietary software, a Dominion machine and several weeks, the authors of the report said they make these voting machine vulnerable to manipulation. Of course, hackers won’t necessarily have access to the software, the machines are normally stored locked up and under surveillance and manipulation could easily be detected through testing. Other election experts don’t believe this is a significant vulnerability. However, the fact that Georgia’s machines print ballots with bar-codes that can be read by machine, but not by voters means a layer of security is missing in these systems.