From RedState. Daszak will testify to congress. I’m sure that our illustrious politicians will make much smoke.
- Dr. Peter Daszak funneled tens of millions of dollars in grants from the US government – including the Department of Defense – to the Wuhan Institute of Virology through his non-profit, EcoHealth Alliance.
- Daszak performed gain-of-function research on SARS coronaviruses at WIV with Dr. Shi Zhengli, including on two strains nearly identical to COVID-19.
- Daszak spearheaded the drafting and submission of a 2/19/20 letter in the Lancet from 27 scientists declaring that COVID-19 arose naturally, without declaring his conflict.
- Many of the signatories of that letter had received emails from Daszak soliciting their signature and reminding them of all the research funding they’d received from EcoHealth Alliance.
- Facebook’s COVID-19 fact-checker, Science Feedback, used Daszak as one of their “experts” to shut down lab leak theory discussion.
- Daszak emailed Dr. Fauci in the early days of the pandemic, thanking him for shutting down the lab leak theory.
- Daszak influenced numerous other letters and statements in scientific journals that declared a lab leak was impossible.
- Daszak was selected to be a member of the WHO study team that declared it “highly unlikely” that the pandemic originated in a lab – without doing an actual investigation or seeing original documentation.
Trump calls it the China virus. I call it the deep state virus.
the Air Vent 
interesting. I admit I haven’t followed this story closely. Are all of those bullet points ironclad facts, or are some still unproven?
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It’s propagandistic nonsense, which is always based to some degree in the truth.
As just one example:
Daszak influenced numerous other letters and statements in scientific journals that declared a lab leak was impossible.
Of course that’s a propagandist exaggeration. There were scientific arguments made as to why it was “implausible” (see proximal origins). Argue with the science as you wish (I think there are some reasonable arguments that the uncertainty was understated), but that kind of inaccuracy is disqualifying for anyone interested in serious engagement.
What’s funny is that the logic is so flawed the next item contradicts that one.
Daszak was selected to be a member of the WHO study team that declared it “highly unlikely” that the pandemic originated in a lab…
Joshua teaching logic.
Will wonders never cease?
Says the guy who can’t even figure out how to use The Google:
JOSHUA
It was recorded. A Google will turn up the transcript..Are you saying “Just find it, I only need 11,000 votes” isn’t an exact quote?
Did you forget the rest of the context Joshua?
I thought so.
The context?
Lol.
The “context” was that you make a wrong statement and posted an asinine article that was wrong as if it verified your statement.
When I told you that you were wrong and it was easy to find out, you apparently couldn’t even do a simple Google and challenged me to prove you were wrong (as if it weren’t easy to find out).
Context that.
Everything Trump says here is correct:
But in, in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed, and you have many that are forgeries. OK? You know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at eleven thousand seven seventy nine within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt. And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you and you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before.
And I don’t care how long it takes me, you know, we’re going to have other states coming forward, pretty good. But I won’t. This is never given. This is we have, some incredible talent said they’ve never seen anything. Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers, but they are very substantial numbers. But and I think you’re going to find that they by the way, a little information, I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots, because the ballots are unsigned, the ballots are, are corrupt and they’re brand new and they don’t have seals.
There’s a whole thing where the ballots but the ballots are corrupt and you’re going to find that they are, which is totally illegal. It’s, it’s more illegal for you than it is for them, because you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s just, you know, that’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And, you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s, that’s a big risk to you and to Ryan. Your lawyer is that’s a big risk.
But they are (crosstalk) shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal fines. And you can’t let it happen. And you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen, so. (Crosstalk)
All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state. And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, this is just it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. A lot of people think it wasn’t a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it’s a big problem in Georgia and it’s not a problem that’s going away. I mean, you know, it’s not a problem that’s going away. And, and we’ve got to …
I klove how you’re always trying to change the subject.
So everything Trump said it was true but for some reason every single time they tried to prove fraud in court, they lost the case. Every time there were follow-on investigations, recounts, etc., they came up empty.
BUT 2,000 MULES! CONSPIRACIES!
As is always the case, your willful ignorance leads you to stupid.
Some of the claims Trump made on that call were already proven false at the time, like the claim of hundreds of votes recorded from dead people.
The rest of his claims were not and are not supported by sufficient evidence.
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I would like to have examples from you Nepal. There are numerous claims in leftist news that things were ‘proven’ wrong that were not even checked. Almost everything the man said has been proven correct in my opinion so I am curious.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/alleged-dead-georgia-voters-found-alive-and-well-after-2020-election/DAL3VY7NFNHL5OREMHD7QECOCA/
his “thousands of dead voters” claim was false. Which pretty much confirms that he wasn’t relying on any real evidence, just making claim after claim and hoping something stuck.
From your own link:
“The State Election Board referred the cases to the attorney general’s office this month after investigators reviewed dozens of allegations. Almost all voters were found to be alive.”
Of Millions of voters, dozens were checked.
Several were found. I’m glad that somehow satisfies you that this has been debunked but in no way am I satisfied that there was a real check for deceased voters.
this article is a standard leftist propaganda piece designed to comfort those who want to be comforted.
Burden of proof is on the claim of thousands of dead voters. It’s not hard to cross-reference the list of people who voted (which is publicly available) with data on the deceased. If it happened, the proof would be there.
In addition to the state’s official investigation, the Trump campaign commissioned their own report, which claimed to find 23 “potential” instances. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/fact-check-trumps-georgia-call-raffensperger
Trump lied.
It is extremely hard to cross reference who voted. The records of voters being public does not mean you can simply download them and cross reference. You can publically see who voted in Michigan too. One person and 3 minutes at a time.
You have now made the statement that trump lied.
Trump may have been wrong, nobody actually knows, but a lie is when you state a known falsehood. To this day, I still do not believe he was wrong. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that these voters cast ballots. Fulton ballot envelopes have been completely unavailable as have the ballots.
You can make all kinds of claims, but you have zero actual evidence to say Trump was wrong. I cannot read your leftist Washington post article as it is pay walled.
if Trump had evidence that thousands of voters were dead, he could give us their names.
if he didn’t have e evidence, he lied.
it’s that simple.
There is a tremendous amount of evidence. You want the proof without allowing anyone access to the proof. It’s a Democrat deep-state scam. Give access to the ballot envelopes and ballots and you will have your proof.
You are the one lying now because you know damned well you cannot have proof without the access to the evidence.
I’m confused, how did Trump know thousands of dead people voted if he didn’t have access to any evidence supporting it?
in fact it is easy to access this information. You can’t download a single spreadsheet with all voters, but the info is there if you care enough to acquire it. The deep state is not hiding it.
I’ll just add that, in addition to voter information being publicly available, Trump has had 4 years to prove the dead voters argument, and has 10s of millions of dollars in his campaign, plus there are millions more in organizations chartered to look for voter fraud.
there is **no** excuse for not showing the evidence of his thousands of dead voters claim. Unless there was never any evidence in the first place, ie a lie.
Lol. Trump claimed as a fact that there were all these dead voters. But he doesn’t have evidence to support that claim. But he didn’t lie because he might have believed that the evidence existed. And the evidence might exist even if no one can present it.
And monkeys might fly out of Jeff’s butt.
a LIE is a knowingly false statement. Expecting Trump to be perfect in his knowledge of what two months (or he is a liar) after an election when we still don’t have answers 4 years later is completely irrational on your part and demonstrates your bias.
I found where I can pay 250 for election records but it doesn’t show who voted in 2016. It at least shows which address a name is at with no actual voter identification other than that. I don’t see an easy download of death records.
We’ve all been down this road before. According to his sycophants Trump doesn’t lie when he says things that aren’t true, or he can’t provide evidence are true, because he might actually believe it.
So in their view he can say anything and it’s never a lie. He has long recognized this, and it has long been a feature in his syntax: “Some people say [insert claim that he has no proof for here]. You know some people are saying that. I dunno but some people are saying it.”
Mafia figures use the exact same sort of rhetorical gambit: “It’s such a nice store you’ve got here. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.”
Because Trump knows his sycophants will hang on to those rhetorical gambits he also knows that it’s true that he could “stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” and he wouldn’t lose any supporters.
Big daddy Trump. It’s funny to watch.
I’m with Josh on this one. You say you find that Trump is always right. Actually, every time he is wrong you just lower your standards for him again to make it okay.
a positive statement, knowingly made with zero evidence, is a lie. To say otherwise just demonstrates the depth of excuses you will make for this man. And he was the President for god’s sake, you should hold him to a high standard.
if Trump called your state’s attorney general and said “Jeff murdered someone on April 2, 1987. I recommend you press charges,” that would be a lie. Even if he believed it, there is zero evidence.
When Trump called the Georgia secretary of states and said, “thousands of dead people voted. I need you to find the votes,” that was a lie. Even if he believed it, there is zero evidence.
This would be simple stuff if you didn’t have your trump goggles on.
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“You say you find that Trump is always right”
Where did I ever say that?
“a positive statement, knowingly made with zero evidence, is a lie.”
Zero evidence is the LIE in this sentence. You have seen endless evidence right here. And with regard to your specific example, you have presented it yourself.
“When Trump called the Georgia secretary of states and said, “thousands of dead people voted. I need you to find the votes,” that was a lie. Even if he believed it, there is zero evidence.”
Statistically, even from your example, this is plausible but that is not what Trump said.
I was referring to what you said here:
”Almost everything the man said has been proven correct in my opinion so I am curious.”
although I realize now you maybe meant just on this particular call, not in general.
In any case, at this point I think we agree on the fact that Trump claimed there were thousands of dead voters, even though there was no evidence for the allegation. The remaining disagreement is just differing values on what honesty vs lying means.
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I believe there was and is still evidence of that allegation. It is obvious that they had a statistical expert of some kind that extrapolated some findings to reach that statement by Trump. I still think the claimj could be completely accurate but cannot access the data. Your own AJC article reported four cases of dozens while explaining nothing about how any of the claims were reported or how thoroughly they were checked. That alone could extrapolate to a large number.
The AJC article also contained numerous examples of flat lies regarding falsely alleging claims had been debunked, totally discrediting the author. Of course all leftist outlets did the same so it probably doesn’t register to leftist propaganda consumers.
Magic “evidence” that exists only in the imagination, based on the argument that it could exist, even though you can’t offer proof and every attempt at proving it has failed in the court of law.
The perfect description of an anarchy/dictatorship. ”No laws hold, and I get to determine what is or isn’t a fact, based on my feelings.”
That’s hilarious. It seems that you actually believe that blowhard only makes claims like that based on being informed by “statistical experts.” Too funny. NNext hour going to say that what he says shouldn’t be taken seriously because everyone knows he just says stuff.
It actually has to be done by statistics at the time he said it. They had reports of a certain number of voters being dead, a very hard thing to do, and they reports were extrapolated. There is no other method to reach conclusions regarding dead voters that closely after an election. That you find it hilarious is just another sign of your incompetence.
Absolutely hilarious that you think he’d only make a claim like that based on “statistical experts.”
Meanwhile, ever one who has claimed they had proof and gone to a court of law was laughed out of the courtroom.
And you keep claiming you have statistical proof but STILL duck putting your money where your mouth is.
Meow.
Jeff, you keep acting like it is unknowable how many dead voters there were, and so we have to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.
not only is it knowable, it’s totally trivial to get this information. You can order the voter list and have it in a week. There are many organizations that use this data and send mail to people who haven’t voted. It’s very easy. Not hard to cross reference with deaths either, especially with 10s of millions of dollars at your disposal.
stop making this ridiculous excuse for trump. He lied, and even at the time it was trivial to find the number of dead voters (very few). Especially given the massive funding he has access to.
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Do you know how to get this information and compare who voted? I don’t, and unlike you, I have tried.
You are the one being ridiculous. As you definitely know, nobody would have anything but a statistical extrapolation that short of a time after an election.
Jeff it’s right here. Statewide voter list with date of last vote. https://georgiasecretaryofstate.net/collections/voter-list-1
There was no statistical expert, Trump was spouting conspiracy theories from twitter. Four years later we still don’t have the names of the supposed thousands of dead voters. not because the deep state is hiding the evidence from Trump, but because _there is no evidence because it didn’t happen_.
That is the list I found as well.
And you are only one list short –The one with the dead folks. Are you intentionally forgetting that part?
and your state wide voter list was likely not available before the following Jan 20 of the 2020 election.
annnnd while it does identify address — as I wrote above, it does not identify individual voters except by name.
It also doesn’t identify who voted in 2020 anymore. Just the last time a person voted.
Jeff, this is getting really quite silly. I focused on the voter list because it could conceivably be kept secret (but it’s not). Deaths are not secret information, it’s the age of big data, Trump campaign has tens of millions of dollars, you do the math.
Four years later and the Trump campaign hasn’t given us the names of the thousands of dead voters. Because they never had any evidence to begin with. Trump was just running his mouth and lying, like he always does.
if the COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE of thousands of dead voters still can’t convince you, you’re beyond hope. Anything big daddy Trump says is gospel to you, as Josh might say.
And you assume Trump was informed by a “statistical expert”, even though he hasn’t released statistical evidence of thousands of dead voters. Nor indeed is there any evidence this statistical expert existed.
No evidence at all, but you are willing to make it all up because Trump can do no wrong.
Bur the evidence could theoretically exist.
And Trump could theoretically believe that the theoretical evidence could resist.
And there might theoretically be a “statistical expert” that Trump could have theoretically believed, that told him of the theoretical evidence, of theoretical dead voters, that theoretically could exist.
Yes, all that compared to Theory B: Trump was spouting bs. Occam’s razor?
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You can razor all you want Nepal, but I am completely correct about this. I’m also correct that it has not been disproven despite the hyperventillating clown-show MSM claiming everything is DEBUNKED!!!
Trump went to court with his evidence. They wouldn’t hear it. No standing they claimed. Saying he should present it but not allowing a presentation OR ACCESS TO THE DATA is nothing but a childish game to make people feel better about themselves.
The data you showed does NOT show who voted in 2020, nor does it allow one to PROVE or DISPROVE whether dead people voted. – this is a total FAIL on your part. You have failed to prove that dead people did not vote as miserably as you claim Trump failed to prove they did.
You tied our hands behind our backs and demanded we play basketball -while calling those of us who found the fraud liars.
“Trump went to court with his evidence. They wouldn’t hear it.”
so tweet it, Christ.
”The data you showed does NOT show who voted in 2020”
It shows the most recent election everyone voted in. The Trump team had plenty of time to download it after the 2020 election. Moreover, if they were dead in 2020 they’re probably still dead now, so they shouldn’t have voted in the interim. No evidence presented of that either.
”You have failed to prove that dead people did not vote as miserably as you claim Trump failed to prove they did.”
it’s not my job to carefully disprove every bs claim that comes out of Trump’s mouth. It’s his job to prove them.
and all we have is theoretical evidence of theoretical dead voters, and you making up a theoretical statistics expert that Trump theoretically might have believed.
unreal the depths you will go to, to try to justify what is clearly Trump regurgitating some bs he got from Twitter or fox.
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When you claim it is easy and that the data exists, it becomes your job to prove it.
I can’t find the dead folks data in a fashion that can get anything done. That the voters are not tied to their identification numbers makes it impossible for a good match. For instance, I know of households where two people of voting age have the same name. What if one dies?
I know two people in the same household with the same name and one of them could theoretically have died while theoretically there might have been two votes cast from that household under that name.
Now unless you can prove that never happened (go ahead, prove that negative) then I can say that theoretically there was voter fraud, and if someone claimed that it was proven there was fraud then theoretically they might not have been lying because theoretically they might have believed that it was true.
On second thought you are right, it is not possible to prove that any individual is dead. Even as a sitting President with unthinkable power and money, It just can’t be done. Isaac Newton and John Prine may still walk among us, it’s impossible to say, especially because I don’t have their social security numbers.
I’d like to personally apologize to Trump for suggesting that he should have obtained evidence before stating that thousands of dead people voted, on an official call with the Georgia Secretary of State. Since it is impossible to tell if someone is dead, that was very unfair of me.
In fact, since we can never know if someone is dead or not, all we have is trump’s word, which therefore constitutes 100% proof that 5000 dead people did vote. Not that he could have any evidence, because again that is impossible, but still it’s definitely true and not made up.
It is possible to know if someone is dead, it is nearly impossible to get a complete list that correlates to the voters of Georgia in 2020.
It’s really not.
But I guess if you’re prepared to make such excuses for Trump, then he can say any lie he wants with no evidence and no consequences. Because it’s just too hard for him to gather evidence, and therefore he can’t be held to any standards whatsoever.
I am curious, why does JeffID argue with stupid liberals?
I am curious, why do you accept this brain dead idea that “half of all Americans are stoopid” instead of having real conservations?